--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "coshlnx" <coshlnx@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> > > > wrote: > > > > However, there could be a good deal of semantic > > > > ambiguity here, in light of how MMY defines Unity > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > In other words: Does he have the ability to want to > > > > do siddhis on demand, independently of what nature > > > > "wants"? > > > > > > > If he is enlightened, then what nature wants and what he does > are > > > the same thing; indistinguishable. > > > > This is speculation, not a trace of evidence for it.
Just to clarify the context, it had to do with whether what MMY teaches is internally consistent, not whether what he teaches is "true." Equally > > speculative but not as much based on flawed authorities like MMY > > would be the statement that among the unenlightened, and the E'd, > > there are varying degrees of "what nature wants". <snip> Please, > no "MMY said so" - therefore it must be true!. > > This is a frequent mistake people make, *assuming* that Maharishi > [or another guru] is enlightened (I think psychologists refer to > this phenomenon as transference), and then based on that assumption, > interpret what Maharishi says as true, often misintepreting and > misunderstanding what the guru says. It's the second part of this that causes the most trouble, IMO. At least (again) in the context of what MMY teaches, the dictum that enlightened people "don't make mistakes" is frequently misunderstood (and MMY hasn't done a whole lot to clarify it). The enlightened person, according to MMY's teaching, doesn't make mistakes *from nature's "perspective"*; but it's entirely possible for nature to "want" the enlightened person to make a mistake, for nature's own unfathomable purposes (e.g., to nudge the person's followers into using their own judgment). > > Another point to make for you: argue for your limitations and they > are yours. > > > > > That is one of the completely different ways of functioning of > an > > > enlightened person. Before enlightenment, it is all intention > based > > > on ego, which is not a bad thing, just a lot harder. > > > > > > After enlightenment, there is not much ownership, it is just > easier > > > to do what nature wants because it is easiest to support nature, > > and > > > in turn nature supports us. I know it sounds crazy, but it is > > simply > > > the way it is. So intention exists, and desires exist and > dedicated > > > thought and action exist, but supported by nature. It is just > > easier. > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
