Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Absolutely not. Again, restful alertness is consciousness projected into and identified with a condition of mind. All mental conditions are neither "closer" nor "further" from pure consciousness. That being said, a technique that reduces mental activity (the vrittis of the chitta, e.g., TM)is effective for facilitating the conditions that allow pure consciousness to cease projecting into and identifying with mind. However this cessation of projection and identification has nothing to do with any technique. The cessation comes from the side of pure consciousness coming to a crashing halt! Hey Vaj or anyone else. I just realized that this projection is a specific shakti. Is there a shakti of ignorance? Veiling power of maya. What buddhist or Vedic/Hindu deity is associated with maya?
Rick A: > > But still, enlightenment has an experiential > > component. The perceptual > > apparatus, intellect, emotions, etc., are > > functioning differently. There > > must be a physiological or neurological correlate to > > this. Maybe not restful > > alertness, but something. > > I agree to a point, but there is no causal > relationship between brain functioning and > Realization. Brain functioning does not and can not > "give rise" to pure consciousness. "It" is > supportless. In many post people seem to imply that > Realization is somehow created or supported by a > particular type of brain functioning. Ain't so Joe! This seems incomplete. (Pure) Consciousness is conscious of Itself, universally, indivisibly, eternally, omnipresently, silent. Pure Consciousness underlying the existence of a rock, while not limited to the rock, is conscious of Itself. On the otherhand, the localized rock is not aware that Consciousness is conscious of Itself at its "core" of its [the rocks] existence. The rock-headedness of the rock does not affect Consciousness being aware of Itself. Likewise, the Pure Consciousness underlying the existence of a jivan-schmuckta (bounded individuality), while not limited to the jivan-schmuckta, is conscious of Itself. And the jivan-schmuckta is not aware that Consciousness is conscious of Itself at its "core" of its [the jivan-schmuckta] existence. The rock-headedness of the jivan-schmuckta does not affect Consciousness being aware of Itself. The denseness the rock and the brain functioning of the jivan-schmuckta do not and can not "give rise" to a reflection of the eternal Consciousness conscious of Itself at its [rock or JS ]core. Regardless, "It" is and always has been supportless, eternally Conscious of Itself. To say Consciousness, conscious of itself -- universally and indivisibly -- "ceases projecting into and identifying with mind" may be a nice poetic image, but is lacking. How can that which is universal and indivisible silent, suddenly, in a localized divisible area, for a localized mind, ceases projecting into and identifying with that mind? (Pure) Consciousness is conscious of Itself, universally, indivisibly, omnipresently, silent. Something happens locally, when a localized structure begins to reflect the universality and eternality of Consciousness being conscious of itself. And something happens locally, when a localized structure begins to reflect the above AND understands/perceives/knows that Consciousness is conscious of Itself at the core or this rock, that rock and every thing. The jivan-schmuckta becomes jivan-mukta. The "individuality" is liberated to universality. Pure Consciousness does not become liberated from projecting into and identifying with that mind -- something it never did, only appeared to do. That is why we speak of jivan-mukta not Atman-mukta. Individuality becomes liberated. Universality was always liberated -- without support. What is the something(s) that happen locally, when a localized structure begins to the universality and eternality of Consciousness being conscious of itself? To say "the localized vessel is polished in order to enable the reflection of Universality" or "the localized vessel becomes hollow and empty in order to enable the reflection of Universality" implies or are not inconsistent with a refinement of the functioning of the localized nervous system. This refinement enables the reflection of eternal Universality, the unsupported and eternal Consciousness being conscious of Itself, within and upon that scrap of localized, transient [so-called] individuality. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
