--- In [email protected], gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], new.morning <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], gerbal88 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter <drpetersutphen@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Seems like MMY likes all the benefits of having > > > > > disciples, but he accepts none of the reponsibility of > > > > > having disciples. > > > > > > > > > sounds like saying a tree likes all the benefits of having > leaves, > > > but > > > > accepts none of the responsibility of having leaves, because > they > > > drop > > > > off in the Fall. > > > > > > Does sound that way, but in Mahesh's case it's much more a matter > > > of "you owe me everything and I owe you nothing". He'd be only > too > > > delighted to have you (or preferably someone important) as a > disciple > > > as long as and only as long as you were doing something for him. > The > > > moment you stop, like a leaf in the fall, you drop. > > > > > > One of Mahesh's close advisors who helped him with the SCI course > in > > > Fiuggi said after that Mahesh treated people like orange slices, > he > > > sucked out the juice and tossed the peel. > > > > > > Ask not for whom the bell peals, it peals for thee! > > > > There is a huge disconnect here, IMO. The discussion is on disciples > > -- which I took to mean people who have tken formal vows of > > bramacharaya directly from Maharishi and have served him for years. > > You refer to advisors to MMY. Quite different categories in my view. > > But there may be some overlap. > > > > I think a few like Shannon, Rob, Louis, Billie, Johny etc. took vows > > and some of these may have been seen as "advisors" at Fuiggi. > However, > > none of these western bramacharayas lasted as such more than a year > or > > two. Either they left (Shannon, Rob and Louis's case as I recall), > or > > MMY sent them out to the field -- "message recieved" -- as was the > > case with Billie as I recall. > > > > The issue, as I understand it, was about longer term "disciples". > > These IMO are those who have taken formal vows of > service/bramacharaya > > and have lasted more than 5 years or so. Nakishore, Satyand, Bevan > > come to mind as possibly meeting this criteria. > > > > My question to Peter did he hear directly from any long-term > disciples > > that MMY accepts none of the reponsibility of > > having disciples. Or is it simply baseless speculation? > > > > I am aware that most of the short-lived disciples felt things along > > the lines of "Mahesh treated people like orange slices, he > > sucked out the juice and tossed the peel." And IMO these are lovely > > articulate people. I don't discount their personal observation and > > views. However, they do not represent long-term disciples. > > > > Now if you are rasing Devendra as as case, you may have a point. > > > > Devendra is such a sad case in point. He was such a lovely > person. 'Disciple' has all kinds of meanings from brahmacharia (and > whatever the fem. case of that word might be) or it might mean long > term follower/devotee, like Vincent Snell or the guy who translated > the Gita for him (sorry, the name just won't step forward). > > The person to whom I referred was a very long term disciple/devotee > who gave everything he had until he saw what he was up against: > someone who only cared about himself. > > I caught Mahesh in a highly compromising activity early in my TM > stint. I simply could not admit to myself that what I saw meant > exactly what I knew, but could not admit, it meant. When he asked me > to work for him, to be one of his secretaries I was flattered and saw > an opportunity to watch him. This I did. > > He's an intensely hard working individual. But he's often working > hard trying to find something that will "work"/sell. He is one of the > most brilliant interviewers I have ever encountered: he can get > anything out of anyone, if, of course, he suspects you have something > he can use to make himself more important. > > If you do TM and it feels good, which it does, you are likely to buy > into the rest of the package. Finding a tiny diamond chip at the tip > of an iceberg does not mean the whole iceberg is one free diamond, > but heck, only Mahesh has wast wedic wisdom, we have to trust him, > don't we. >
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