--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jun 30, 2006, at 8:50 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Jun 30, 2006, at 8:07 AM, authfriend wrote: > >> > >> > >>> On the other hand--just hypothetically, now--if a > >>> person had an entirely genuine desire to enlighten > >>> the world, perceived that in order to do so it > >>> would be necessary to have a big movement that was > >>> run like a business--including accumulating money-- > >>> and himself had CEO-type inclinations in terms of > >>> his temperament, how would his actions look any > >>> different from what MMY is doing? > >>> > >>> In other words, how can you tell the difference > >>> between someone whose primary motivation is to > >>> run a business that accumulates money and uses > >>> a spiritual front to do so, and someone whose > >>> primary motivation is to spiritually regenerate > >>> the world and uses business techniques as a means? > >>> > >> > >> I would hope it would look like what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is > >> doing: creating a "Woodstock of meditation" and initiating millions > >> on a donation basis and doing some important form of world-seva, > >> tirelessly. Goenka and HH the Dalai Lama might be other examples > >> of what I'd hope to see. > >> > > > > In other words, only the business models of which you > > approve are valid ones for someone with a genuinely > > spiritual motivation. > > No, of course not, not my point at all.
So a different business model would not necessarily rule out a genuine spiritual motivation in your mind? > >> I think there's too much an avaricious tone to M.'s actions to > >> really fudge that as 'spiritual regeneration'. > >> > > > > How and where, exactly, do you draw the line > > between making money to facilitate the spiritual > > regeneration of the world and being avaricious? > > I don't think the point was necessarily about the amount of money > generated but the duplicitous nature of the person raising it: > spiritual and smiling to the cameras, avaricious and type A once > the cameras are turned off. What's even more scary is someone like > M. with some spiritual power and shakti and some minor siddhis > leveraging them for these avaricious ends. > > It wish I could find the quote attributed to SBS, it was right on > the money. When you find out the guy was more like Donald Trump (or > may Howard Hughes these days), one would hope it would give you > pause to think. Certainly. And one would hope that thinking includes some serious consideration of whether avaricious or even duplicitous personality traits necessarily, in and of themselves, rule out a genuine spiritual motivation. Again, how can one be sure those traits aren't being used in the service of such a motivation? Does it make sense to assume that because most examples of avaricious/duplicitous people aren't spiritually motivated, therefore none are? > There are a lot of stories that could be told which haven't. (Says Vaj, proceeding to tell one of them.) > Ever hear the story how right after Guru Dev died M. put up a sign > saying `who wants instant enlightenment?' and he would lay his > hands on their heads, give them shakipat and the person would > swoon. What was he charging? A kinda Reverend Mahesh affair. Small incidents like these > speak volumes. And you heard of this small incident where, exactly? ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
