--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > Thanks for posting the link. I am really surprised that they are > > continuing with this blatant lie! Arrogance, pure and simple. > > They don't give people enough credit that they would know that > > this claim is as physically impossible as humans flying in the > > air. It must be discouraging for his current students to see > > that no attempt is being made to be truthful in this absurd > > claim. > > I think that to some extent you are missing the point. > This "research" is *not* for the world at large, who > wouldn't be taken in by it. It's for the students who > have already paid for the TM-siddhi course, or who are > about to. It's a way to give them something to hang > onto that sounds rational, a "scientific" excuse they > can point to when someone asks why they paid thousands > of dollars to learn how to fly.
Well, actually, as I recall, they were shown at intro lectures once they had started publicizing the TM-Sidhis course and Yogic Flying. > Personally, the thing that's astounded me in these > recent discussions is how tenaciously a couple of > people here have adopted the role of apologist, trying > to find some loophole, some way of analyzing the exact > wording, some shread of hope that enables them to > portray this presentation as something other than an > intentional attempt to mislead. Well, actually, what you're seeing is a couple of people here pointing out how far the anti-TMers will go to twist the facts in order to cobble together their accusations of fraud. > People have an innate need to continue believing in > the things they have spent decades believing in, I > guess (not to mention justifying the money they've > spent on those beliefs), and logic really doesn't enter > into the equation when that need is threatened. For example: What *matters* with regard to these studies is not whether EEG coherence can be measured during actual hopping, but that there is a very sharp increase in coherence with the use of the technique (the sutra). That it can't be measured after hopping begins is irrelevant. Obviously, nobody is going to be any *more* impressed if they believe coherence continues during hopping. Yet the bitter-enders, contrary to reason and logic, are trying to make a huge deal of the fact that the charts could be interpreted that way. Nobody is going to decide to take the TM-Sidhis course because they believe they'll experience EEG coherence while they're hopping, as opposed to when they use the sutra. So if anybody is deceived in this regard, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. It's a nonissue. In contrast, it *does* make some sense to complain about the series of photos of the woman hopping that show her only in the air, as if she were floating or making an impossibly long hop. That's distinctly deceptive. Or it would be if it hadn't become common knowledge by the time the poster came out that only hopping was going on. But that, at least, is an issue. And of course it also makes sense to complain about the fact that it was awhile before it became clear that only hopping was going on. There's an argument to be made that almost everyone involved at first was convinced hovering and flying were right around the corner because the experience of hopping itself (and the other sutras) was so extraordinary, so it didn't matter that it hadn't yet actually occurred. That would be a matter of naive optimism, not intentional deception, but it *is* a legitimate issue. The supposedly irrational "apologists" are capable of making the distinction between real issues and nonissues, while the purportedly ruled-by-reason- and-logic bitter-enders cannot. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/