So, you seem to agree that even the 'mighty' are as subject to the law of karma as say you or I, yet I am convinced that a part of the belief system espoused by TMers is a belief that any action undertaken for the cause, is outside of the spectrum of personal karma. The idea as passed on to teachers of TM that truth is different at different levels of consciousness seems to offer up justification for deviousness, evasion and sometimes downright dishonesty. In fact, once one becomes exposed to individuals who warp the truth to suit the cause (and themselves), the capacity for moral discernment must become virtually impossible. Many of the arguments against the Maharishi and his teachings stem from a dislike of the way he and those individuals who represent him show no compunction about twisting words to suit ends. But if the 'cause' is about giving people the experience of bliss and timelessness, how is this served by telling porkies? No, all that is achieved is a mistrust of a man and his movement. For many when they see the sight of such dirty bathwater, they don't hang about to see whether it contains anything of any real worth. And that is a shame, a shame brought about by a so-called Maharishi!
--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Paul Mason" <premanandpaul@> > wrote: > > > > TurqB, mine's a capuccino. > > What you are going on about people trying to avoid personal > > criticism by deflecting it on to others, it reminds me of > > something that > > happened a while back, something that still galls me... > > I was walking along a pavement (the stip of pathway running down the > > side of a road & reserved solely for pedestrians) and I was shocked > > to find a car backing down towards me at speed. Though I hardly had > > time for evasive manoevures I jst managed to dodge out of the way in > > time. I then whacked my hand on the car to gain the driver's > > attention and pointed out to him that he had come that close to > > mowing me down. > > And do you know what he does? Does he apologise? Does he try to > > explain his actions? Does he heck? Instead he shouts and gestures > > angrilly denying everything. And do you know what seems to get to > > him most is the fact that I touched his vehicle! > > Now, as this incident happened a while back, I have had time to > > reflect on this ^!*?*$'s behaviour. I think what happened is that he > > chose denial because he feared any confession might be used against > > him. > > Or, more simply, he is so self-obsessed that he cannot > conceive of his actions being inappropriate. That seems > to me to be closer to the phenomenon as we see it on > "spiritual" Internet chat groups. If you'll notice, the > people who do this rarely, if ever, admit to making > mistakes, except for minor ones regarding misreported > facts. It really never occurs to them that they *could* > possibly be wrong, so obviously it's someone else's > fault. > > > Clearly, this car driver's behaviour stems from a misplaced self- > > interest, as does Rama's, with his brushing off personal criticism > > as 'Anti-Buddhist'. > > But, I'd like to know what, if anything, is actually achieved by > > such > > twisty behaviour? Personally I think that in spite of deflecting > > attention from their own misbehaviour they eventually pay the price. > > Even the mighty fall - for surely none can dodge the karma? > > Well, in his case I'd say he paid the price for some > of his less-than-thought-through behavior. :-) > > To his credit, he did many things well. He was one of > the most brilliant teachers I've ever met, able to > not only talk about spiritual concepts, but to give > you the direct experience of what he was talking about > as he talked. And he did a lot of nice things for a lot > of people. But this was balanced in my opinion by > buying into his own PR and starting to believe that > he was "special," and "deserved" things that less > special people didn't deserve. I think that the circum- > stances of his death speak more eloquently of the karma > of such a notion than anything I could say would. > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
