--- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Second, of course, "anti-TMer" is an entirely
> legitimate label for those who, like Barry and Vaj
> and Curtis, routinely attack the TMO, MMY, and TMers
> (individually or as a group)."
> 
> Since I have been on this group I have heard far more criticism
> coming from others, some of whom practice TM.

Certainly you, Vaj, and Barry aren't the only ones
criticizing TM, but that's not what I suggested.
Notice that I said "those who, *like* Barry and Vaj
and Curtis..."

> Other than responding to things others have put up I have not 
> initiated any criticisms of TM.

I had in mind your stint on alt.m.t some years ago,
as well as your participation in recent discussions
here.  As far as I can tell, your attitude and
approach haven't changed a bit since alt.m.t.  Nor
did I stipulate that I was speaking only about those
who *initiate* criticisms.
 
> This designation of "anti-Tmer" is a stupid label in a group where
> most of the posters couldn't get into the dome.

But it doesn't mean just not being able to get into
the dome.  It's a particular type of driven, vicious,
and unremitting criticism, frequently unencumbered
by facts or fairness.

> If you really cared about the movement

Ah, but I don't care about the movement.  I think it
sucks, as I've said many, many times.

> you would encourage them to correct stupid
> misleading charts instead of defending their stupid misleading 
> charts.

You make the same "mistake" Barry does.  I'm critizing
the anti-TMers' lack of fairness and accuracy.  I'm
criticizing what I see as their lack of integrity.  Any
"defense" of the TMO is just a side effect, not my main
motivation.

I will "defend" people and perspectives I strongly
disagree with if I feel they're being attacked
unfairly or inaccurately, just because it's the
right thing to do.  Obviously that isn't your
approach.




> 
> But in my world none of that matters.  No one is looking at TM 
charts.
>  For the rest of the world they are so far into the silly zone that
> all our analysis is absurd.  So the question becomes "If a 
fraudulent
> claim is made in the woods and no one hears it..."







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