--- In [email protected], new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Re: Paranoia as cult bonding mechanism > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 9, 2006, at 1:01 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > > > > > "Second, of course, "anti-TMer" is an entirely > > > > legitimate label for those who, like Barry and Vaj > > > > and Curtis, routinely attack the TMO, MMY, and TMers > > > > (individually or as a group)." > > > > > > > > Since I have been on this group I have heard far more > > > > criticism coming from others, some of whom practice TM. > > > > Vaj writes a post that is pathognomonic of the anti-TMer: > > Same comment i just made to Vaj. Why use lablels. And particualrly, > why use false and inflamatory (IMO) labels.
Obviously I don't think it's a false label. You and Spraig are far > from fundamentalists or True beleivers. I have written two recent > posts making and substantiating that point. Yes, and that's appreciated. (In passing, one wonders why you're the only one here to weigh in on this.) > And Vaj is not an "anti-TMer", IMO, just as you are not a TBer. He > started TM at a young age, became a teacher. He was more INTO it > than you ever have been, it would appear to me from 3000 miles > away. Not sure why that he was INTO TM at one time should rebut the idea that he's an anti-TMer *now*. > Later he found other things more useful to him. He moved on. Fine. So have many here. > That he observes flaws in the TMO is not surprising. I think we all > do. Indeed. But the nature, tone, and volume of his "observations" are quite different from those of, as you pointed out, Rick and Ken Hassman, for example. If you can't see that, I'm at a loss. Plus which, there's the way he constantly attacks and insults the committed TMers here, as well as his refusal to engage in reasoned discussion on the points he raises. And there's also his frequent misrepresentations of what MMY teaches, which are very difficult to understand given his claims to have been a TM teacher. <snip> > The key point being, as I interpret it (perhaps not implied or > intended by you) is that its far more productive, for the > discussion, readers, and posters, to focus on the points being > made -- why they are logically, cognitively, factually valid or > not. And its unproductive to hurl labels, and defending against > inevitable return flurries of label insults. Of course it would be more productive, but you can't *get* Vaj to focus on the points being made. It's fine to draw a moral equivalence where reciprocal "hurling of labels" is concerned, but not if you neglect to point out where it *starts*. My sense of Vaj (and Barry) is that the only reason they're on this forum (and previously on alt.m.t) is because they want a platform from which to denounce TM/MMY/the TMO. There are plenty of other forums on which they could discuss the spiritual paths they're on now with a much more receptive, and in many cases even more knowledgeable, group of participants. <snip> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
