--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know Peter Klutz personally? He's engaging in non-stop
vandalism on 
> wikipedia.
>

I do (I think).

Before the propaganda by wikipeda et al makes you fully brainwashed,
here'sa recap followed by some assorted comments:

(1) PK started out like he supposed most other people start with
making contributions at WP, with the innocent joy of creating
something only a newbie can muster. He was immediatelly attacked by
numerous accounts accusing him of vandalism and violations of whatever
"rules" exist at wikipedia.

It would take PK a month or so to realize that he had skipped right
into a carefully moulded minefield.

Because this is what WP apparently has petrified into: controversial
articles have been appropriated by clicques of people who scream
bloody murder and throw the V word at anyone who thinks he or she can
contribute, whilst ingratiating themselves with admins.        

True to his nature (but unfortunatelly still too innocent for this
world) PK became pissed off at these attacks and held his ground. His
greatest mistake, however, was to take the allegations against TM and
MMY at face value and investigate the sources. 

When this was done - and it was apparent that the TM and MMY articels
have been kidnapped by entities dedicatedly hostile to TM etc - he
said so.

The rest, as it is said, is history.

(2) Instead of caving in to the constant barrage of allegations
against PK, sparaig, take a couple of steps back and review the
situation. Here are a few suggestions:

a. compare Mr Skolnicks interpretation of wikipedia rules with the
rules themselves. When you do this, you're actually going to learn
that what S is trying to portray as rules are in fact more like
guidelines - guidelines found on pages that can actually be edited and
thus changed by anyone. 

Perhaps more surprisingly, you will also come across the word "bold",
which is how Mr Jimbo Wales, want's your contributions to be like (and
there's a backdrop to my questions to Bishonento what'sgone wrong with
WP - duly deleted by S).

b. compare PK's NPA violations with S violations or even those of some
of the admins. 

c. PK's view on what's going on at WP is that it is a social
experiement gone terrbiely wrong: S and his admins has rapidly formed
a secterian-minded group based on hate toward outsiders (in this case
people they label TMers) where relations are now so tight that S feel
comfortable enough to publicly joke about his gratitude of the admins
at WP for their willingess to enroll in S's personal axis of evil of
Jewish-Christian fundamentalism.

PK's take on the situation is that the phenomenon is akin to how
people a few hundred years ago worked up a frenzy in order to be able
to torch witches at the stake. I say this half-jokiugly, but the
discrepancy between PK's contributions per se and how they are
described by S adn assorted WP admins has to be seen to be believed.
So has the bile produced at WP over it all.

d. Finally, how many people actually read the TM and MMY articles at
WP? I'd be surprised if anyone outside a circle made up of yourself,
Bishonen and other WP admins - and S - do this.   

"Never mind the mosquitoues - shoot the tiger."

Why engage in pointless communications with the mosquitoes of this
world, when you can go to DC or FF? 


PK






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