--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You avoided the question directed at you. > > This makes you either a chicken, a moron or an asshole.. > > Make your pick - and do feel free to spread your totalitarian > manure elsewhere in the future.
Peter, Lawson is not advocating for Wikipedia's rules, he's explaining what they *are*, since you don't seem to be getting it. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <peterklutz@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > > > > > You log in with an anonymous IP AFTER being banned from making > > > edits, and do full- > > > > scale reverts. Lame. > > > > > > > > BTW do you always refer to yourself in the 3rd person? I know a few > > > enlightened types do > > > > that on occasion but you're sure not coming accross that way. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <peterklutz@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know Peter Klutz personally? He's engaging in > non-stop > > > > > vandalism on > > > > > > wikipedia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do (I think). > > > > > > > > > > Before the propaganda by wikipeda et al makes you fully > brainwashed, > > > > > here'sa recap followed by some assorted comments: > > > > > > > > > > (1) PK started out like he supposed most other people start with > > > > > making contributions at WP, with the innocent joy of creating > > > > > something only a newbie can muster. He was immediatelly > attacked by > > > > > numerous accounts accusing him of vandalism and violations of > whatever > > > > > "rules" exist at wikipedia. > > > > > > > > > > It would take PK a month or so to realize that he had skipped > right > > > > > into a carefully moulded minefield. > > > > > > > > > > Because this is what WP apparently has petrified into: > controversial > > > > > articles have been appropriated by clicques of people who scream > > > > > bloody murder and throw the V word at anyone who thinks he or > she can > > > > > contribute, whilst ingratiating themselves with admins. > > > > > > > > > > True to his nature (but unfortunatelly still too innocent for this > > > > > world) PK became pissed off at these attacks and held his > ground. His > > > > > greatest mistake, however, was to take the allegations against > TM and > > > > > MMY at face value and investigate the sources. > > > > > > > > > > When this was done - and it was apparent that the TM and MMY > articels > > > > > have been kidnapped by entities dedicatedly hostile to TM etc - he > > > > > said so. > > > > > > > > > > The rest, as it is said, is history. > > > > > > > > > > (2) Instead of caving in to the constant barrage of allegations > > > > > against PK, sparaig, take a couple of steps back and review the > > > > > situation. Here are a few suggestions: > > > > > > > > > > a. compare Mr Skolnicks interpretation of wikipedia rules with the > > > > > rules themselves. When you do this, you're actually going to learn > > > > > that what S is trying to portray as rules are in fact more like > > > > > guidelines - guidelines found on pages that can actually be > edited and > > > > > thus changed by anyone. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps more surprisingly, you will also come across the word > "bold", > > > > > which is how Mr Jimbo Wales, want's your contributions to be > like (and > > > > > there's a backdrop to my questions to Bishonento what'sgone > wrong with > > > > > WP - duly deleted by S). > > > > > > > > > > b. compare PK's NPA violations with S violations or even those > of some > > > > > of the admins. > > > > > > > > > > c. PK's view on what's going on at WP is that it is a social > > > > > experiement gone terrbiely wrong: S and his admins has rapidly > formed > > > > > a secterian-minded group based on hate toward outsiders (in > this case > > > > > people they label TMers) where relations are now so tight that > S feel > > > > > comfortable enough to publicly joke about his gratitude of the > admins > > > > > at WP for their willingess to enroll in S's personal axis of > evil of > > > > > Jewish-Christian fundamentalism. > > > > > > > > > > PK's take on the situation is that the phenomenon is akin to how > > > > > people a few hundred years ago worked up a frenzy in order to > be able > > > > > to torch witches at the stake. I say this half-jokiugly, but the > > > > > discrepancy between PK's contributions per se and how they are > > > > > described by S adn assorted WP admins has to be seen to be > believed. > > > > > So has the bile produced at WP over it all. > > > > > > > > > > d. Finally, how many people actually read the TM and MMY > articles at > > > > > WP? I'd be surprised if anyone outside a circle made up of > yourself, > > > > > Bishonen and other WP admins - and S - do this. > > > > > > > > > > "Never mind the mosquitoues - shoot the tiger." > > > > > > > > > > Why engage in pointless communications with the mosquitoes of this > > > > > world, when you can go to DC or FF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who appointed Andrew Skolnick and wikipedia the arbitrators of free > > > speech? > > > > The owner of Wikipedia controls wikipedia, and people who play by > his rules get to > > continue playing. BTW, while Skolnick usually knows how to play the > game well enough to > > slip in his POV, in the long run, he gets corrected. Sometimes he > goes overboard and he > > gets slapped down, as happened after you were banned when he took it > on himself to add > > a smarmy little commentary after every one of your comments on the > TM:talk page. His > > entire list of comments was deleted by an administrator and he was > formally admonished > > for personal attacks against you. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll tell you what - the fact that Man has replaced God by building > > > his own infrastructure thru which humans affairs are now conducted. > > > > > > If you don't understand this you need to reflect on the meaning of the > > > old physical cash run world most of which was created by God and the > > > virtual universe called cyberspace and in which space does not exists, > > > where everything is known to pretety much everyone and where the > > > owners of the physical cables and routers and servers are the new > > > lords (and above which governments holding monopoly on violence holds > > > sway). > > > > > > The setup is in fact really, really bad for mankind. > > > > > > So, what are you going to do about this? > > > > > > Continue to stick your head in the sand and give the Andrew Skolnicks, > > > and Jimbo Assholes of this world arbitration over your life...? Or > > > continue to exercize the rights you were born with (and which can be > > > exercized i a on the speaker's corner in London)? > > > > > > Oh, and by the way: > > > > > > (1) today's "vandalism" consisted of reverting to a previous less > > > TM-hostile version of the articles. Beats me why it was good enough > > > for WP admins then but not now. > > > > 1) because it was a continuation of what you had been asked, then > told, not to do > > ( consequtive reverts gets into an editorial war that doesn't > resolve the problem). > > 2) because you reverted back to content (in this latest round) that > had been extensively > > edited so every other edit, including mine, and Skolnick's own > attempts at moderation of > > his POV, was deleted. > > > > > > > > > > (1) the IP I used to day was my own and the same I use pretty much all > > > of the time. Don't ask me why WP decided to open it up.. > > > > > > Now, are you ready to take on the tigers or do you plan to continue to > > > accuse others of the mosquitoes that seems to keep buggin' you..? > > > > > > > You're not willing to play the wikipedia game thw eay the founder of > wikipedia wants, and > > you're quite willing to be obnoxious about it, and you're unable to > learn from your > > mistakes. > > > > Big mosquitos in a small pond, but its someone else's pond and > you're the mosquito. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
