--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mmmmm you seem to be suggesting that since Rick has formed an opinion > about MMYs sexuality that I should necessarilly trust > his 'judgement', but then you go on to condemn firm believers. Again > you attempt to persuade me to your viewpoint by waving > Rick's 'credibility', but that is the same argument as saying look, > John Lennon wrote 'Sexy Sadie', so it must be true that MMY was up to > no good. But why not sift the evidence, read all the other reports of > those who were there, not just John Lennon's? Why should anyone take > John Lennon's word? What did he know about the matter? Read his > words, confused accounts, jumbled, garbled and disjointed. Yeah, love > the man, but he didn't know the truth about MMYs sexuality any better > than the others on the course. > > And so it is with the alleged poisoning of Guru Dev, why on earth > should I side with Shankaracharya Swami Swaroopanand? I never met the > man and besides, in the interview with RK he was using anything he > could to try and discredit him. It seems their friction goes a long > way back, perhaps as far back as 1940. > > Now, you argue the 'girlfriends' need protection, but why doesn't > Swaroopanand ever repeat and press his points again publicly? > > It appears that actually you and Rick (& others) are 'firm > believers', but fortunately Rick is not asking me to trust his > judgement, in fact he tells me:- 'You're welcome to take anything I > or anything anyone else says with a grain of salt. In fact, you > should.' >
And, besides, what is the motive in this; What is the motive for Maharishi to be involved with anything negative towards Guru Dev? What would be the motivation for Maharishi go get involved with any woman, in a secret way? Both of these things seem so out of character to me; I just write them off as complete and total nonesense. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > Unless there is some reason you distrust Rick's judgement--and > many > > firm believers *may not even believe it if they hear it from one > of > > the women who was subjected to the spiritual incest*--it's pretty > > damning when someone as credible as Rick talks directly, firsthand > > and shares the story. This is way beyond rumor, he's talked to the > > women. And of course we need to respect their right to heal, > process > > and move in and not be trapped in endless questions and attacks > from > > hundreds or thousands of questioners. So it's also important to > > protect those who shared this. I think you are mistaking the need > to > > protect the abused for something unclear or contrived. > > > > It became clearer to me why this was important with the Swami Rama > > sex scandals where he really damaged a lot of women and few would > > come out and tell their stories. Those that did were subjected to > a > > living hell. And that was a much smaller movement. > > > > On Aug 4, 2006, at 4:06 PM, Paul Mason wrote: > > > > > Anyone who sets themselves above others gets notched up the > measure > > > of accountability and MMY is no exception. Sex and drugs stories > sell > > > well, but in reality there are more serious temptations for a > > > spiritual leader and in order to determine whether or not such > people > > > exploit their positions, it is wise to keep a close eye on their > > > behaviour. > > > > > > I am not at all opposed to people questioning the 'saintliness' of > > > MMY, but I am uncomfortable that FFL no longer merely raises about > > > his sexuality but presents the rumours as facts. > > > > > > Legally speaking, being the conduit of a rumour is one thing, but > > > presenting it as fact is really quite another. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
