Shemp: "So, yeah, I agree with many of your complaints about the TMO and MMY but in the interests of balance and fairness, you willingly went into that lifestyle that was the opposite of the TM Program. You can't now turn around and claim shock and awe for all the horrible things that the Movement turned out to be."
Me: I don't think MMY's instructions to his teachers and fulltime people can be characterized as the opposite of the TM program just because it is initially presented in another manor meant to be effective marketing to the general public. The first presentation of TM is not the only official way it is presented depending on what level of the organization you are on. For example, I was tested on TTC on my feelings as I sang the puja. Quizzed intensely about what feelings I had as I sang certain words in Sanskrit. This is obviously a long way from the innocent practice of TM as presented in the intro lecture, but it was every bit as legitimate a part of MMY's program. As you got closer and closer to MMY's inner circle the beliefs were presented as being purer without the need to interface with a skeptical public with marketing spin. The inner circle around MMY ,with his absolute unquestioned authority, was set up exactly as he wished. I think you are making an artificial distinction between MMY and TMO which he micromanages into what he desires, including the beliefs of his closest members. - In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Rick Archer <groups@> wrote: > > > > on 8/12/06 6:36 AM, Bill (William)Simmons at unclewas@ wrote: > > > > > > When I first started dating me she was absolutely convinced > > > she "levitated" meanwhile I'm down stairs listening to the floor > > > upstairs squeak like hell as she bounced up and down on the bed. > One > > > things for certain,,,she's got great thigh muscle development. > > > > > I used that phase often during my TM career. It¹s based on the > assumption > > that Maharishi has a handle on Absolute Truth. The materials in > > http://tinyurl.com/bt7sp should cause even the most hard core TB > to question > > that assumption. > > > It should if you were a cult member. > > Rick, you were involved with the TMO and MMY way, way outside the > orbit of being a "mere" practitioner of the TM Program. You > embraced something that had a guru, an organisation that had a > belief system and an entirely separate and different way of life > than an ordinary American. > > You weren't forced into it and you weren't required to partake of it. > > In fact, you were told in the first 5 minutes of the Introductory > Lecture -- your first official exposure to the TMO -- that it wasn't > a philosophy or a religion yet you went right ahead and partook of > that by becoming a TM teacher and living amongst the celibates and > inner circle of MMY for many, many years. > > So, yeah, I agree with many of your complaints about the TMO and MMY > but in the interests of balance and fairness, you willingly went > into that lifestyle that was the opposite of the TM Program. You > can't now turn around and claim shock and awe for all the horrible > things that the Movement turned out to be. > > For, to use your words above, "the most hardcore TBer" to now > question his assumptions by looking at the materials you cite, is a > bit ingenious. A TBer would have to be a complete idiot to now feel > shock at all these revelations when from Day One of anyone's > involvement in the TMO or TMO Inner Circle it was obvious that it > was "off the program". > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
