--- curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "They don't do > this because the purpose of the the ME is political, > not scientific. It is bandied about not in the > spirit > of understanding, but solely to promote TM. That's > all > MMY wanted to use it for, which is fine, but let's > stop pretending we're interested in it for > scientific > reasons." > > > Nicely stated. Other spiritual groups just state > their beliefs and if > you want to join you know what you are getting into. > Religions > operate this way also and it has a certain > integrity. TM's > presentation has always had a slippery element. > Maybe MMY's desire to have a huge mainstream > movement was his > downfall. I notice in your posts, Peter, a > spiritual primacy of > consciousness over matter perspective that doesn't > try to be anything > else. I don't always share the perspective, but I > know where you > stand and I can learn a different view. It has > integrity. TM's > presentation tried to be everything to everybody and > ended up being a > pseudo materialistic spirituality. I think low > movement numbers > reflect this lack of the movement knowing what it > is. The pompous and > ridiculous Rajas are the perfect symbol of this lack > of identity > integrity. Rich guys in gold party hats. Visual > poetic justice! I'm waiting for the Raja rebellion where they stand up and say "No more!" toss their gold-painted crowns aside and dance the funky chicken with the Mother divine ladies! > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- "Bill (William)Simmons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Of course the larger the number the better in > > > studies worth any > > > serious consideration. > > > > > > However, > > > > > > Fairfield itself offers an amazing case study. > > > Because of the length > > > of time factor of the study group. > > > > > > 1. There would have been a crime rate prior to > TM's > > > introduction into > > > the community and should be verifable through > past > > > public/police/court records. > > > > > > 2. Then the introduction of TM and its > organization > > > to the community. > > > > > > 3. And a 30 year study period in which the crime > > > rate could be > > > tracted along with the steady growth of > practising > > > meditators. > > > > > > To my way of thinking. Thirty years of > meditations > > > by a steadily > > > increasing population of meditators (far > exceeding > > > the 1% cl;aimed > > > necessary to reverse rising crime rates) must > result > > > in a reduction > > > in Fairfield's crime rates or the whole ME > therory > > > is disproved. > > > > > > Has Fairfield itself ever been the subject of > such a > > > study. If > > > not,,,why not!!! How many crimminal offenses > were > > > reported in > > > Fairfield in the year TM meditators began in > > > Fairfield and how many > > > reported offenses occured say last year? The > trends > > > should point to > > > a declining crime rate given the significant > number > > > of meditators in > > > the community. > > > > Based on the theory of the ME you are absolutely > > correct. If the TMO/MUM was serious about > > understanding the field effects of consciousness > they > > would have to understand why the ME does not > appear to > > work in Fairfield and expand the ME theory to > > integrate this apparent contradiction. They don't > do > > this because the purpose of the the ME is > political, > > not scientific. It is bandied about not in the > spirit > > of understanding, but solely to promote TM. That's > all > > MMY wanted to use it for, which is fine, but let's > > stop pretending we're interested in it for > scientific > > reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
