--- curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> "They don't do
> this because the purpose of the the ME is political,
> not scientific. It is bandied about not in the
> spirit
> of understanding, but solely to promote TM. That's
> all
> MMY wanted to use it for, which is fine, but let's
> stop pretending we're interested in it for
> scientific
> reasons."
> 
> 
> Nicely stated.  Other spiritual groups just state
> their beliefs and if
> you want to join you know what you are getting into.
>  Religions
> operate this way also and it has a certain
> integrity.  TM's
> presentation has always had a slippery element.
> Maybe MMY's desire to have a huge mainstream
> movement was his
> downfall.  I notice in your posts, Peter, a
> spiritual primacy of
> consciousness over matter perspective that doesn't
> try to be anything
> else.  I don't always share the perspective, but I
> know where you
> stand and I can learn a different view.  It has
> integrity.  TM's
> presentation tried to be everything to everybody and
> ended up being a
> pseudo materialistic spirituality.  I think low
> movement numbers
> reflect this lack of the movement knowing what it
> is.  The pompous and
> ridiculous Rajas are the perfect symbol of this lack
> of identity
> integrity.  Rich guys in gold party hats.  Visual
> poetic justice!

I'm waiting for the Raja rebellion where they stand up
and say "No more!" toss their gold-painted crowns
aside and dance the funky chicken with the Mother
divine ladies!




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> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- "Bill (William)Simmons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Of course the larger the number the better in
> > > studies worth any 
> > > serious consideration.
> > > 
> > > However,
> > > 
> > > Fairfield itself offers an amazing case study.
> > > Because of the length 
> > > of time factor of the study group.
> > > 
> > > 1. There would have been a crime rate prior to
> TM's
> > > introduction into 
> > > the community and should be verifable through
> past 
> > > public/police/court records.
> > > 
> > > 2. Then the introduction of TM and its
> organization
> > > to the community.
> > > 
> > > 3. And a 30 year study period in which the crime
> > > rate could be 
> > > tracted along with the steady growth of
> practising
> > > meditators.
> > > 
> > > To my way of thinking. Thirty years of
> meditations
> > > by a steadily 
> > > increasing population of meditators (far
> exceeding
> > > the 1% cl;aimed 
> > > necessary to reverse rising crime rates) must
> result
> > > in a reduction 
> > > in Fairfield's crime rates or the whole ME
> therory
> > > is disproved.
> > > 
> > > Has Fairfield itself ever been the subject of
> such a
> > > study. If 
> > > not,,,why not!!! How many crimminal offenses
> were
> > > reported in 
> > > Fairfield in the year TM meditators began in
> > > Fairfield and how many 
> > > reported offenses occured say last year?  The
> trends
> > > should point to 
> > > a declining crime rate given the significant
> number
> > > of meditators in 
> > > the community.
> > 
> > Based on the theory of the ME you are absolutely
> > correct. If the TMO/MUM was serious about
> > understanding the field effects of consciousness
> they
> > would have to understand why the ME does not
> appear to
> > work in Fairfield and expand the ME theory to
> > integrate this apparent contradiction. They don't
> do
> > this because the purpose of the the ME is
> political,
> > not scientific. It is bandied about not in the
> spirit
> > of understanding, but solely to promote TM. That's
> all
> > MMY wanted to use it for, which is fine, but let's
> > stop pretending we're interested in it for
> scientific
> > reasons.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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