--- In [email protected], "Bill (William)Simmons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > no worries gerbal,,,I liked the post. > > Iffen my Hindu readings recall. > > The guru shall not ask for anything. > The student shall offer everything.
I think you have hit it exactly where it needs to be hit. Mahesh consistently made a huge thing of HIS devotion to Guru Dev. Finally, the penny dropped: DEVOTION is what gets us where Mahesh is! This, of course, churned out hoards of blissninnies, moodmakers, pretenders to higher states of consciousness. But Mahesh loved it. He subtly encouraged it: The famous like from Mallorca, at the height of rounding when the assembled masses were stoned out of their collective gourd on rounding "no one can love you as I can..." -- So it was obvious: we have to love him. Give him EVERYTHING. A friend there in Fairfield once told me he had given Mahesh $130Million in stock options, whatever that is. Give, Buy, Borrow, Buy more and more; borrow more and more; get it all, keep trying. -- Talk about our effective modus operandi, eh? Because the Guru loves you and you LOVE the GURU. > From the various articles I've read MMY is constantly asking for > money,,,from governements, organisations and individuals. Hell the > fact that there is a set cost for the meditations techniques proves > that. In the Files, TMO, the Odd Side, there's a PDF of the ad he placed in three prominent US newspapers right after 9/11. Tells quite a story: insanity in search of financial support. > I am pretty certain Hindu law itself forbids the charging of money > for spiritual teachings. Words like,,,"damnable hell" comes to mind. If you go to www.minet.org/ there's a set of files called Visit to the Shankaracharya. See what the then Shankaracharya, successor to Guru Dev, had to say about Mahesh and charging money. > Perhaps MMY played "hooky" from class the day this philosophy was > taught. Heavens, no. He wanted to know everything there was to know. Like the TM Nazi, you can't bend the rules in your favour unless you know what they are. Then you can bend them to glorify yourself and show others what fools they are. "The Lawyers will make it Legal." "We'll use Science to prove it." "Just give them some nice candies and they'll be fine." "The Actor can play god better than god." > The s--- In [email protected], gerbal88 <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill (William)Simmons" > > <unclewas@> wrote: > > > > > > I can't help but wonder,,,When does aggressive marketing and > > > cavalier scientific study practises cross the line and become an > > > active attempt to de-fraud and thus become a crimminal activitiy > on > > > an "organised level'. > > > > Oh, Bill, it never crosses the line! Like Mahesh quipped one day > in > > Seelisberg when he was wanting to do something iffy and was told > so: > > The Lawyers will make it legal! > > > > You can't defraud the faithful if they are willingly giving you > > everything they've got. You can't help it if they are so dazed > from > > all the meditation and other crap you've sold them that they can't > > think straight. > > > > I hope you see the point of my sarcasm,it certainly isn't aimed at > > you. > > > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > "They don't do > > > > this because the purpose of the the ME is political, > > > > not scientific. It is bandied about not in the spirit > > > > of understanding, but solely to promote TM. That's all > > > > MMY wanted to use it for, which is fine, but let's > > > > stop pretending we're interested in it for scientific > > > > reasons." > > > > > > > > > > > > Nicely stated. Other spiritual groups just state their > beliefs > > > and if > > > > you want to join you know what you are getting into. Religions > > > > operate this way also and it has a certain integrity. TM's > > > > presentation has always had a slippery element. > > > > Maybe MMY's desire to have a huge mainstream movement was his > > > > downfall. I notice in your posts, Peter, a spiritual primacy > of > > > > consciousness over matter perspective that doesn't try to be > > > anything > > > > else. I don't always share the perspective, but I know where > you > > > > stand and I can learn a different view. It has integrity. > TM's > > > > presentation tried to be everything to everybody and ended up > > > being a > > > > pseudo materialistic spirituality. I think low movement > numbers > > > > reflect this lack of the movement knowing what it is. The > > pompous > > > and > > > > ridiculous Rajas are the perfect symbol of this lack of > identity > > > > integrity. Rich guys in gold party hats. Visual poetic > justice! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter <drpetersutphen@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "Bill (William)Simmons" <unclewas@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Of course the larger the number the better in > > > > > > studies worth any > > > > > > serious consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, > > > > > > > > > > > > Fairfield itself offers an amazing case study. > > > > > > Because of the length > > > > > > of time factor of the study group. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. There would have been a crime rate prior to TM's > > > > > > introduction into > > > > > > the community and should be verifable through past > > > > > > public/police/court records. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Then the introduction of TM and its organization > > > > > > to the community. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. And a 30 year study period in which the crime > > > > > > rate could be > > > > > > tracted along with the steady growth of practising > > > > > > meditators. > > > > > > > > > > > > To my way of thinking. Thirty years of meditations > > > > > > by a steadily > > > > > > increasing population of meditators (far exceeding > > > > > > the 1% cl;aimed > > > > > > necessary to reverse rising crime rates) must result > > > > > > in a reduction > > > > > > in Fairfield's crime rates or the whole ME therory > > > > > > is disproved. > > > > > > > > > > > > Has Fairfield itself ever been the subject of such a > > > > > > study. If > > > > > > not,,,why not!!! How many crimminal offenses were > > > > > > reported in > > > > > > Fairfield in the year TM meditators began in > > > > > > Fairfield and how many > > > > > > reported offenses occured say last year? The trends > > > > > > should point to > > > > > > a declining crime rate given the significant number > > > > > > of meditators in > > > > > > the community. > > > > > > > > > > Based on the theory of the ME you are absolutely > > > > > correct. If the TMO/MUM was serious about > > > > > understanding the field effects of consciousness they > > > > > would have to understand why the ME does not appear to > > > > > work in Fairfield and expand the ME theory to > > > > > integrate this apparent contradiction. They don't do > > > > > this because the purpose of the the ME is political, > > > > > not scientific. It is bandied about not in the spirit > > > > > of understanding, but solely to promote TM. That's all > > > > > MMY wanted to use it for, which is fine, but let's > > > > > stop pretending we're interested in it for scientific > > > > > reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around > > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
