What is really odd and funny, if not delusional, is that we are asked
to suspend disbelief and support the notion that Jim who has such poor
comprehension skills, and who regularly makes cognitive errors, is
able to clearly interpret his experiences, and self-proclaim himself
as in BC. 

As posters, and classic commentators, have pointed out is that
misinterpreation of initial or minor experiences can be incorrectly
interpreted as high / highest states (such hierarchies continue to
make me laugh -- but for the sake of discussion ...).  For example,
Rick made an articulate comment on this yesterday. 

[Apparently,] Avoiding this pitfall, is amongst the reasons  i)
development of a clear intellect -- and, ii) the confirmation of a
teacher, an unbiased objective sourse --  are called for in various
traditions, classic literature -- and the TMO --  before proclaimming
enlightenment. Some traditions, tibetian buddhism apparently, think
proclamation of ones state, even with such clear intellect and teacher
confirmation, is rather silly and even harmful.

That someone stumbling around, barley able to comprehend and reference
what they have read with any accuracy, hardly fits the profile of one
qualified for "self-proclamation". 

But anything is possible. If wearing the "crown" of TMO/MMY style of
enlightenment is really important for someone (odd and funny that it
would be) then go to the domes and get your long sought and cherished


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <no_reply@> 
> > > wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > > All yours and others apparent desire to proclaim their
> > > > awakenings as the same as MMY/TMO enlightenment is quite
> > > > odd. Just pronounce what ever awakening one wants. Other
> > > > than those that have requirements that one doesn't meet.
> > > >
> > > And as long as someone's definition or proclamation of
> > > enlightenment doesn't fit your definition of what it should
> > > be, you are 'SAFE'.
> > 
> > Boy, Jim, either you aren't getting what new morning
> > is saying AT ALL, or you feel you're entitled to
> > ignore it completely and substitute a completely
> > different version of your own devising.
> > 
> > What he's saying makes perfect sense on its face; it's
> > virtually a truism: to claim MMY-style enlightenment
> > (not new morning's own definition), you need to meet
> > the criteria MMY has set for it.
> > 
> > He's not saying there is no other style of enlightenment,
> > or that if you don't meet the MMY criteria you aren't
> > enlightened.
> > 
> > But that's how you seem to be interpreting what he
> > writes, for no good reason that I can see.
> >
> Agreed Judy. Its rather sad the pattern:
> Jim has learned to parrot a particular catechism -- which has a heavy
> Tom/Rory flavor, IMO -- but has no clue as to how to apply it in the
> real world. Consistent with your points, the catechism points bear
> little or no relvance or correspondence to what I have written. 
> Jim's cognitive disabilities, noted periodically over the past 6
> months, contine to unravel. His responses to what he has read reflect
> near zero reading comprehension skills. Based on his perfomances here,
> given a paragraph or two, and asked to summarize or answer questions
> about what he has read (as is commonly done on achievement and skill
> level tests), he would fail miserably.
> For a so-called liberated, to be so over-shodowed with rote talking
> points that even the smallest stimulus triggers them -- while 
> similtaneously the trigger apparently also overrides or shuts down
> rational facilities, is ironic. And its sad to see the diminishment of
> any human being.  Yet from 5000 feet, as characture of bliss-ninny
> delusions  -- its amusing.
> He is hardly a walking advertisment for "liberation". More an
> advertisment for the possible dangers of sustained practice of
> neuro-physiological techniques for self-development.

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