--- In [email protected], Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > TurquoiseB wrote: > > >--- In [email protected], "Ingegerd" > ><marwincornyarmand@> wrote: > > > > > >>--- In [email protected], "geezerfreak" > >><geezerfreak@> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>>Is that cos Guru Dev is competition too???????? > >>>> > >>>> > > > >Absolutely. > > > > > > > >>I have had some thoughts about that. If MMY who is saying > >>that he tried to be like Guru Dev - read his mind - walked > >>in his footsteps - had lived like Guru Dev - it would have > >>been a different TMO. If MMY had given out exactly what > >>Guru Dev said - (I know your quotes, Paul), it would have > >>been very obvious that MMYs teaching is different from > >>Guru Devs teaching in many ways. > >> > >> > > > >Bingo. A perfect segue to another of the "trying > >to figure it out" raps done while "catching up" > >on FFL this last month: > > > >************************************************************ > > > >Becoming in Tune with One's Teacher's Thinking > > > >What I find that I'm developing about Fairfield Life and > >its regulars after this self-enforced absence is a sense > >of compassion for many of the people who spend so much of > >their time being so angry there. What I think is driving > >the anger is a profound sense of loss -- at Maharishi and > >what he has become, for the TMO for what it has become, > >and for themselves and what they have become. > > > >Having watched FFL for over a year, there is a pattern in > >which the rancor increases, and people start slinging mud > >at each other and calling each other names. It starts up > >every time the TM movement or Maharishi personally does > >something really, really, really stupid. Like the latest > >bit with the course in Fairfield, using it as an oppor- > >tunity to "weed out" those who have been "unfaithful" > >to Maharishi, and have had the gall to "see other people." > >Or to try to make them feel shame for not falling for > >the "cry wolf" game one more time. > > > >A few people here get really, really, really upset every > >time the TMO does something this stupid. And then they > >lash out at others, trying to blame them and demonize > >them for the way that these stupid things make *them* > >feel inside. *They* hate this stuff that Maharishi does > >and that the TMO does as much as anyone else, but they > >can't bring themselves to admit it, so IMO they feel > >compelled to lash out at others and blame the way that > >*they* feel on them. > > > >In my opinion this odd behavior happens because the > >people who do it have modeled their minds on the mind > >of a person who thinks this way himself, and acts > >this way himself. > > > >This mind-modeling has taken place on many levels. > >It's been learned consciously in response to words > >spoken by Maharishi and taught by example as he > >performs the actions that they interpret as enlight- > >ened and attempt to emulate. But even more important, > >it's been accomplished through the process of them > >-- the TBs -- doing what they were told to do by > >Maharishi himself, practicing the spiritual technique > >he held up for them as the quintessence of spiritual > >practice -- "becoming in tune with one's teacher's > >thinking." > > > >*That* is the spiritual model that Maharishi sells, > >more than any other. Blind devotion to one's teacher > >and trying to cultivate the ability to think like > >him is what he's sold to his close followers all > >these years -- not TM, not the siddhis. We can see > >this most clearly when someone he has given a lot > >of attention to within the TM movement decides to > >leave it, and him. Maharishi takes such "betrayals" > >very, very personally, and far from graciously. > > > >It's *Maharishi* who has the hangup about "loyalty," > >and who views anyone who isn't completely "faithful" > >to him forever as weak and a failure, or an actual > >enemy. It's *Maharishi's* mindset we see in the words > >of the TBs, spoken by people who don't even know that > >the mindset they're expressing is not their own. > > > >And interestingly, I think the reason Maharishi feels > >this way is that he's doing the same thing the TBs on > >FFL and elsewhere in the TMO are doing, projecting > >his own internal dis-ease outwards. > > > >IMO Maharishi feels "betrayed" by those who don't do > >everything he says because *he* didn't do what Guru > >Dev told him to do. He was told to go off and > >meditate, and *not* to teach, and he did the opposite. > >I honestly think that inwardly he feels that he > >betrayed his teacher, and that these feelings come > >to the surface for him whenever someone "betrays" > >him by not doing exactly what *he* tells them to do. > >As with the TBs he's trained to think like him, when > >this happens Maharishi blames the person who has made > >him feel this way, and often does his best to demonize > >them for leaving, or for not following his advice as > >if it were the word of God. But what I think he's > >really angry at them for is making *him* feel emotions > >he doesn't like to experience. > > > >What he's feeling when his students don't do what he > >tells them to do is his own karma. It's just so sad > >that he's never been able to realize that. > > > >************************************************************ > > > My tantra guru has a really different attitude. He has even encouraged > me to visit other gurus and teachers. Part of it is a test to separate > the wheat from the chaff, the charlatans from the real folks. > Sometimes we go together to visit them. He will often always ask me a > set of questions after the visit, one of which usually is "what > tradition is this guru from." In many cases none. > > His attitude is that if his teaching is the right one for you, you're > going to stick to it anyway rather than changing boats. He also talks > about some gurus being fill-in until the seeker finds the teacher who is > right for him. > > Apparently some of the TMO gets really upset about people visiting > saints but in India visiting a saint doesn't mean you're going to be > their disciple. In fact some of them don't take disciples. On my TTC > Maharishi brought an Indian saint with him. > > Then some here have said that when Maharishi was asked about people who > have moved on to other gurus he has responded positively. Apparently he > is aware of limitations on what he can teach and that some will want > more personalized instruction than he is able to give (one of the > downsides of being a pop guru). > > BTW, I recently updated my guru's websites so be sure to check it out > and the new videos posted there on a variety of subjects, plus I also > put a couple on YouTube to see what would happen and that really > increased traffic to the site: > www.realtantrasolutions.com
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