'As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout Hindus)..<Snip>.' I noted no such thing! The speech was made at the Young Man's Tennis Club, Queen's Gardens, in Delhi, not at a Hindu temple!
--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Paul Mason" > <premanandpaul@> wrote: > > > > Excerpts of speech made by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (before he was > > known as such) in which he asked that Guru Dev's 'elevating > > discourses may reach the masses in every nook and corner of our > > country and abroad' > > - for full text go to > > http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/Maheshspeech.htm > > As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout Hindus) > before he had conceived the idea of a nonsectarian > meditation technique for the masses. > > Your oft-repeated insinuation that MMY was trying > to hide Guru Dev's teaching because it would reflect > poorly on himself still doesn't wash, Paul. > > MMY has *always* taught the nonsectarian elements > of what Guru Dev taught. > > What he *could not* do was to teach what Guru Dev > taught about meditation if he wanted TM to be > universally accepted, which is what I was pointing > out in the post you quote. Nor could he even have > made it available, for the reasons I explained (and > which you have not challenged). > > Can you find a recorded or transcribed talk of > Guru Dev--about meditation or anything else--that > has no sectarian elements, that would be > universally acceptable, even to those who do not > believe in God? > > > > > > > > > The Statement issued by: BAL BRAHMACHARI SHRI MAHESH JI. > > 15th Oct., 1952 > > > > 'His aim of life, if the life of a realised soul can be said to > > possess any such aim, is to broadcast the message of the Great > Divine > > light that he has himself realised, the Light that is the Soul of > all > > human beings. Having himself attained the pinnacle of Self > > development, he aims at transforming the worldly minded people into > > the Godly minded, and through his inner Divine touch to change the > > materialistic hearts of iron into spiritual hearts of gold.' > > > > 'Shri Shankaracharya Maharaj has clear insight into the mind and > the > > thoughts of the modern age. His teaching and commendments are based > > on sound reasonings which are quite agreeable to any reasonable > > thinker. He is a great critic of prejudices and narrowmindedness > > arising out of irrational love of caste, creed, nationality or > > any "ism". His life is a living proof of the Truth of the Vedas and > > Shastras. He has opened a new era of renaissance of True Religion. > He > > extends his recognition to anything that is good in any religion. > He > > is accessible to all. Everyone can enjoy and derive benefit from > his > > holy Darshan and elevating discourses.' > > > > 'The great Saint of the Himalayas in coming in your midst and in > the > > fitness of the great occasion, I appeal to your good sense to > extend > > your valuable support so that his elevating discourses may reach > the > > masses in every nook and corner of our country and abroad.' > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Paul Mason wrote: > > > > > > > > >Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a > few > > > > >words about when and how to meditate. > > > > >Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006 > > > > > > Paul, just how far do you think MMY would have > > > gotten in teaching people around the world to > > > meditate if he had been teaching a la Guru Dev? > > > > > > Or, what do you think would have happened if MMY > > > had taught as he did, and these instructions from > > > Guru Dev had been translated and made available > > > through the TMO? How many TMers would have > > > decided they were going to try it Guru Dev's way, > > > and what would have been the result? Especially > > > in the absence of Guru Dev's personal guidance? > > > > > > What was MMY going to say, "No, no, don't do what > > > Guru Dev instructed, do what I instruct"? > > > > > > You keep suggesting that there's something > > > sinister about MMY not promoting Guru Dev's actual > > > teaching, but that's one of the silliest criticisms > > > I've encountered. > > > > > > MMY obviously *didn't have a choice* if he wanted > > > TM to be universally accepted--or even to *work*, > > > for that matter. The context in which Guru Dev > > > taught was just too different. > > > > > > I suppose MMY could have issued a carefully > > > bowdlerized version of Guru Dev's lectures with > > > all the sectarian Hinduism taken out. What would > > > you have thought of that? What would have been > > > left? Would that have been true to Guru Dev's > > > intent? > > > > > > If you want to bash MMY for going global with TM > > > instead of staying back in India and teaching a > > > few people exactly what Guru Dev taught, ishtas and > > > all--or for teaching anything in the first place-- > > > fine. > > > > > > But if you don't disapprove of his wanting to > > > make TM universal, you really don't have a leg to > > > stand on in suggesting that he is dishonoring Guru > > > Dev by not promoting his original teachings. That > > > just makes no sense at all. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
