--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "Marek Reavis" > > <reavismarek@> wrote: > > > > > > You're probably right about Barks, but that "translation" of the > > > Arabic was the first time that the phrase made any sense to me. > > > > On the other hand, Kabir was certainly a mystic, and > > according to Wikipedia his poetry is pervaded by ideas > > from both the Vedanta and Bhakti streams of Hinduism > > (which is, interestingly, similar to what MMY has said > > of Shankara's teaching). Kabir disavowed sectarian > > religion of any kind. "He often advocated leaving > > aside the Qur'an and Vedas and to simply follow Shahaj > > path, or the Simple/Natural Way to oneness in God," > > Wikipedia says. > > > > If all this is correct, it would be odd indeed if Kabir > > had invoked "There is no God but Allah" in the exclusive > > sectarian Islamic sense. > > To quote myself from earlier today: > > In my opinion, when you know nothing about a > > subject, it's better to say nothing about it than > > to spout a buncha bullshit and *prove* that you > > know nothing about it. Some posters here, who > > feel compelled to act as if they know all about > > things they've never studied (the Google-it-for- > > five-minutes-and-pretend-you're-an-expert approach) > > would IMO do better to follow their teacher's > > example and just stay away from subjects they > > know nothing about. > > Not only did Judy feel compelled to do the > Google-it-for-five-minutes-and-pretend-you're- > an-expert thang,
Actually, I do the Google thing to document what I already know. (Never claimed to be an expert, of course; that's another of Barry's fantasies.) > she got the name of the poet > wrong. The line being "translated" was by Rumi. Oops. Quite right. HOWEVER, as it happens, very much the same applies to Rumi, who founded one of the major Sufi orders (the Mehlevi or "Whirling Dervishes"). >From the Wikipedia article on Rumi: The general theme of his thoughts, like that of the other mystic and Sufi poets of the Persian literature, is essentially about the concept of Tawheed (unity) and union with his beloved (the primal root) from which/whom he has been cut and fallen aloof, and his longing and desire for reunity. And from the Wikipedia article on Sufism: The central doctrine of Sufism, sometimes called Wahdat or Unity, is the understanding of Tawhid: all phenomena are manifestations of a single reality, or Wujud (being), or al-Haq (Truth, God). The essence of being/Truth/God is devoid of every form and quality, and hence unmanifested, yet it is inseparable from every form and phenomenon either material or spiritual. It is often understood to imply that every phenomenon is an aspect of Truth and at the same time attribution of existence to it is false. The chief aim of all Sufis then is to let go of all notions of duality, therefore the individual self also, and realize the divine unity. In other words: "There is nothing but God; God is One." > If just being called (correctly) a True Believer Uh, no, Barry, your guideline for identifying True Believers, as you know, does not include me at all. > got her in as much of a snit as she's been today, No "snit," Barry, sorry. Just pointing out your fraudulence and hypocrisy, as usual. > I just can't WAIT to see how she reacts to > realizing that she made an ass of herself. > Expect about 20 more posts in the next two > or three days trashing me. :-) If you continue to make stupid posts, you bet I'll continue to trash you for doing so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
