--- In [email protected], "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have just finished reading New Morning's post on Innocence (112511). Highly perceptive > regarding the nature of many of the exchanges here on FFL, and the underlying > psychology.
Thanks LB. And its nice to have you back on FFL. (new.morning = akasha = omg, from past lives, if the style and themes were not a tip off.) ... > The 108 pieces of darshan in the Upadesh Amrit collection represent only a fragment of > Guru Dev's public discourses. Strung together, they would amount to a couple of hours, at > most. Nevertheless, I believe they represent the wholeness of his teaching, and represent > it accurately. I take your word on it. But are there reasons also one might not come to such a conclusion. If so, can you elaboate. On both sides. ... > It has previously been pointed out that Brahmanandaji's teachings were somewhat > conditioned by historical and cultural conditions of his time and place. As New Morning > has pointed out in a different context, perhaps we could all benefit by considering the > limitations we bring to interpreting them. > > Also, with regard to those who feel especially close or intimate > relationship with > Brahmanandaji in this lifetime, And ironically, one thing MMY has "whispered" to entire large courses, is that, paraphrsing "I do not communicate with you in visions. Guru Dev does not communicate with you in visions." He did, in such lectures, and at other times, point out that various "entities" (like astral entities -- my words) can take the form of anything in visions and even "real life" and trick people. He always said, "If I need to, I will communicated with you by phone." Not to be confused with his methods of having those around him, as he would explicitly state, become attuned with his thinking (like his to Guru Devs), so that the staff would simple think and do the "right" thing -- the thing MMY would have told them to do in the circumstances. > I would offer one small suggestion: We have seen so many > examples wherein the guru whispers one thing into the ear of the > disciple at his right > hand, and something entirely different to the disciple at his left. [Taking MMY as a guru who has whispered,] if he whispered it to each, how would we know it was different? We only know by different accounts of what each staff said he/she heard. Thats several layers removed from what MMY may actually have said to each. The advanced technique "confusion" is a good example of this possibly distortional layering. (As is the parlor game "telephone".) Even in something as important as advanced technique instruction, it may be that people's "inner knowledge of what was "meant" -- filtered by "knowledge" of what should be, clouds the actual instructions conveyed. > Would it have been > different with Guru Dev? Do we know for sure, one way or the other? If we are confident > that Guru Dev speaks to us directly, that is fine, But is contrary to what MMY told 1000's at a time. Its odd IF he would whisper something else to some others. But in cases on this forum, I don't think MMY whispered anything to anyone. So its a student interpreting something as happening that MMY said would never happen. But its a delicate area. IMO, IME, things like puja are clear attunement with "holiness". To use others' terms, its like a clear transmission of that state lived by saints (of the tradition). But thats different from talking to physical forms. (That MMY said explicitly were imposters.) Then again... > but we should keep in mind: This is what > he says to me. What he says to another is none of my business. Yes. IF he said something, a HUGE if, given MMY's caveats, it certanly does not necessarily apply to anyone else. Not that I recall such universality claims being made on FFL, but this sort of thing has caused a lot of confusion in centers. (And MMY's wrath (quite different from personal anger), when he got word of it. He had no tolerance for people making claims about what he said or meant, or GD, via visions.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
