On Sep 17, 2006, at 7:33 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 17, 2006, at 2:31 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote:
>>
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The current conflict continues as long as the West thinks that
>>>> by killing enough of the third world people, we can force the
>>>> rest into submission and servitude. It isn't working, nor will
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> Is this really how the majority of people and the politicians
>>> in the USA think?
>>
>> OF course not.  What do you think?  A few lunatics on the
>> right do, and unfortunately they've cheated and bullied
>> their way into power.  It won't last, it never does.
>
> To present the deva's advocate position, one could
> safely say that because in theory America is a democracy,
> and because in a democracy those who get to run the country
> and set its policies can do so only because the majority
> of the population *allows* them to do so (via elections),
> America's policies towards the Third World *do*, in fact,
> represent the thinking of the American people.

Unfortunately, Barry, I agree with you--whether it's because of 
outright participation (fairly rare) or just plain apathy (much more 
common, IMO) we here in the US have allowed our "leaders" to get away 
with unbelievable horrors in the 3rd world.  And it's not really even 
that the information is or isn't out there (although much of it is) 
it's that people don't even ask questions--and haven't for decades.  I 
can't explain it--maybe everyone is so overmedicated they can't  think 
straight. (Not much of an excuse, I know, but the best I can come up 
with right now.)

> Americans as a whole don't care whether the people in the
> Third World live or die.
Many don't even care whether people *here* live or die--look at the 
debacle of Katrina.  And when GB's poll #s finally started to go down, 
was it over horror at what those people endured?  No, it was for purely 
selfish reasons--gas prices.

>  That's why they elect leaders
> who don't care whether these people live or die and who
> design and implement their global strategies accordingly.
> The emotional reactions (and overreactions) we're seeing
> in the Arab world are because they're realizing this, too.
>
I think they've realized it a lot longer than most Americans, 
unfortunately.  The Islamic world, for all it's poverty, does not seem 
to lack for people who perceive things fairly clearly and who are 
willing to fight.  I might not agree with their methods, but at least 
it's not apathy. 
   



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