--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote: > > > > sparaig wrote: > > > > >--- In [email protected], Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>sparaig wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >[...] > > > > > > > > >>>Who "they?" Annoop Chandola was taught to meditate by Swami Shantananda > Saraswati, > > >>>and he's under the impression that he learned TM or something extremely similar > to it. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>TM is not that unique in its process. It is called "yogic meditation" > > >>in other circles. The actual use of the bijas particularly without OM > > >>is what is considered unorthodox. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >>From what I've seen of how people describe other purportedly simple and > > >>easy > meditatio > > >techniques, very few are actually simple and easy. > > > > > All that says is you haven't seen very much. Hence my term > > "spirituality sheltered." > > > > That might be. However, one prominent exponent of the technique of Buddhist meditation > that Vaj characterizes as "effortless" admonishes people to be vigilant in > not letting > oneself fall asleep or getting lst in thoughts, which to me, is a form of > effort and control...
Actually--as with TM where an effort must be taken to sit down to meditate and close eyes, maintain mindfullness to return to mantra, etc., etc.--the first stages of Shamatha (which is what I assume you are talking of) do also require effort/attention. This is typical of most intro meditation techniques and McMeditation techniques like TM are no different. *Any meditation technique that relies on a object of meditation, a mantra, the breath, etc. will by it's very nature have some subtle effort (as Mahesh acknowledged at Estes Park in regard to TM).* The higher stages of Shamatha practice are truly effortless in the yogic sense of that word: one decides how long to rest in samadhi and then emerges from samadhi at the end of the session. Unless you are actually familiar with the depth and breadth of meditation praxis experientially, this will not be obvious to you. So your above statement is incorrect--"spiritually sheltered" it would seem. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
