trying to follow new.mornings posting inspirations, i've started a new thread instead of intjecting this into the old one :)
--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "vajradhatu108" <snip> > > Any meditation technique that relies on a object > > of meditation, a mantra, the breath, etc. will by > > it's very nature have some subtle effort (as Mahesh > > acknowledged at Estes Park in regard to TM).* > > Of course, it's never been established that what he > said at Estes Park ever "acknowledged" any such > thing. > I'm not sure exactly what the Estes Park quote is, but Maharishi was quite clear that there is some "doing" in the thinking/picking up of the mantra and that, yes, this is a contradictory to the mantra just appearing on its own. That's why the the instruction to think or pick up the mantra is qualified by saying "effortlessy" or "as effortessly as a thought comes". Of course one is thinking and of course thinking is doing. It may be an effortless doing, but it's a doing. While it may not be fair to dismiss TM as being a technique of "effort" on account of that, vaj is, IMO, not incorrect in calling it "subtle effort" becaue of that doing. To misunderstand this puts one in the position of a meditator I once encountered who asked "What happens if you sit there for the entire 20 minutes and the mantra doesn't come?" Duh. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
