--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> 
wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > We *insist* that it's effortless because it's our
> > > experience that it only *works* if it's effortless.
> > > It isn't a matter of "belief."
> > 
> > P.S.: Actually, Lawson maintains that effort is
> > not needed, not that effortlessness is essential.
> > I'm not sure I agree with him on this, but I
> > think it may be a matter of semantics.
> >
> 
> It's more a matter of introducing subtle effort worrying about 
effort. Knowing that it's not 
> needed, you don't feel a need to introduce it, but at the same 
time, you dno't feel a need 
> to obsess about whether or not your effortless enough--the natural 
tendency is for the 
> mind to transcend anyway, so the person's experience with "how to" 
meditate will naturally 
> become less and less over time, anyway--IF he/she doesn't worry 
about the degree of 
> effort or effortlessness involved beyond simply "thinking the 
mantra like any other 
> thought."

OK, I'll buy that.






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