sparaig wrote: >--- In [email protected], Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>hermandan0 wrote: >> >> >> >>>trying to follow new.mornings posting inspirations, i've started a new >>>thread instead of intjecting this into the old one :) >>> >>>--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>--- In [email protected], "vajradhatu108" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>><snip> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>Any meditation technique that relies on a object >>>>>of meditation, a mantra, the breath, etc. will by >>>>>it's very nature have some subtle effort (as Mahesh >>>>>acknowledged at Estes Park in regard to TM).* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Of course, it's never been established that what he >>>>said at Estes Park ever "acknowledged" any such >>>>thing. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>I'm not sure exactly what the Estes Park quote is, but Maharishi was >>>quite clear that there is some "doing" in the thinking/picking up of >>>the mantra and that, yes, this is a contradictory to the mantra just >>>appearing on its own. That's why the the instruction to think or pick >>>up the mantra is qualified by saying "effortlessy" or "as effortessly >>>as a thought comes". Of course one is thinking and of course thinking >>>is doing. It may be an effortless doing, but it's a doing. >>> >>>While it may not be fair to dismiss TM as being a technique of >>>"effort" on account of that, vaj is, IMO, not incorrect in calling it >>>"subtle effort" becaue of that doing. To misunderstand this puts one >>>in the position of a meditator I once encountered who asked "What >>>happens if you sit there for the entire 20 minutes and the mantra >>>doesn't come?" Duh. >>> >>> >>> >>Nit-picking and over analyzing the method does not help anything >>either. When you sit to meditate you just introduce or think the >>mantra. What was trying to be avoided was forcing the mind on the >>mantra or any straining. That is the context of the checking notes. >>This is also the teaching in other traditions. >> >>A properly enlivened mantra will enchant the mind anyway but if >>something is stirred up by the process it will usually express itself as >>thoughts. >> >>Folks might want to read Sivananda's "Mind - It's Mysteries and Control" >>http://www.dlshq.org/download/mind.htm >>which was originally published in 1936, years before Maharishi ever >>dreamt of becoming a monk and discusses the process of meditation in >>very similar terms. >> >> >> > >Well hmmm.... > >"A Mantra purifies the mind. Mere repetition of a Mantra, parrot-like, has >very little effect. >It has some benefit. It must be repeated with Bhava (feeling). Then it >produces wonderful >effects. The Mantra, unless inspired with the powerful will-force of one's own >mind, >cannot produce much effect." > Be sure to read the "Some Useful Hints" section.
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