--- In [email protected], Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > More cogently, we have to ask whether the research approach is really > appropriate to the subject. Are brainwave measurements, no matter how > sophisticated, really indicative of the operation or qualities of > consciousness?
Of course they are, consciousness is a quality of the brain therefore measuring the brainwaves gives us at least an idea of what's going on. Ontologically, consciousness is a transcendental quality of a > transcendental object: the jivatma or spirit soul. We havn't proved this at all, this is belief and nothing else especially not science. nobody has found any evidence of a soul transcendental or otherwise. > Material senses or their > extensions such as scientific instruments and ordinary logic cannot detect, > measure or predict the behavior of transcendental objects. If they exist! The proof is that > after so much intensive theorizing and experimentation, science is no closer > to an adequate predictive theory of consciousness today than they were 30 > years ago. > It's proof of nothing other than we have yet to develop accurate testing methods. > The presentation is a classic case of using an ontologically inappropriate > approach and methodology. Consciousness is transcendental, therefore only a > transcendental instrument can apprehend it. Consciousness is subjective, > therefore only subjective processes of measurement and analysis are > appropriate to it. > No wonder no-one ever takes TM research seriously. > If we are to establish a truly scientific platform for the study of > consciousness, it must itself be of the equivalent ontological quality as > the object being studied. Therefore at the final conclusion, the original > Vedic method of submission to the sruti-siddhanta and obediance to guru is > really the best platform for consciousness study. Until the scientific > community accepts this axiomatic truth, they will never make significant > progress in their study of consciousness because they are not even able to > observe it. > Oh sure the scientific community have to accept the only way we will understand consciousness is by obeying a Guru, going into a trance and seeing what we think or believing what we are told. It's not going to happen guys. > love, > Baba > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
