> spare egg <Lawson English> wrote: > > coldbluiceman wrote: > > > spare egg <Lawson English> wrote: > > > > cold blu ice man wrote: > > > > > sparaig wrote: > > > > > > Alex Stanley wrote: > > > > > > > > spare egg wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > cold blu ice man wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > As no "pundit" worth his salt would > > > > > > > > > > > make a claim > > > > > > > > > > > (or allow another to > > > > > > > > > > > make a claim) that would insinuate > > > > > > > > > > > a group of pundits > > > > > > > > > > > chanting "Vedic verses" could > > > > > > > > > > > change the course of human events. > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is a mahayagya, O Sagacious One? > > > > > > This: http://alex.natel.net/misc/ww2_yagya.jpg ???? > > > > > > > > Namaste Sir Alex John Stanely Ji.., > > > > i must politley inform you that the photo you > > > > are looking at is the-- > > > > Khumba Mela taken in 1944 on the banks of the > > > > Jamuna/Yamuna river. > > > > The oldest Mela, the Khumba Mela, is held once > > > > every 12 years at the > > > > junction of the three sacred rivers > > > > (Ganges, Yamuna, and Saraswati) > > > > and attended by more than 40 million people. > > > > Now the dates of the > > > > Khumba Mela are set to the specific location > > > > using astrological > > > > calculations based upon the placement of > > > > planet Jupiter, also there > > > > are ardha-Khumbas held every 6 years > > > > on the Jamuna River. > > > > > > > > ..."The Kumbha Mela takes place every four years > > > > in rotation at > > > > Haridwar, Prayag (Allahabad), Nasik and Ujjain, > > > > according to the > > > > placement of Jupiter in the Zodiac. > > > > A modern innovation, there are > > > > also popular half-melas, ardha-kumbhas, > > > > every six years at Haridwar > > > > and Prayag. It is at Prayag, where the > > > > Yamuna River joins the Ganga, > > > > that the largest number of human beings in > > > > history gathered--15 > > > > million on February 6, 1989. Haridwar, > > > > logistically less convenient, > > > > managed ten million on April 14, 1998. > > > > Still, that's five times this > > > > year's two million Muslim pilgrims who journeyed > > > > to Mecca for the > > > > Haj, the second largest gathering..." > > > > http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1998/9/1998-9-11.shtml > > > > > > > > Now AJ Ji..,what were you lead to > > > > believe that photo is?? > > > > > > > > > According to Steve Perino, > > > > > no pundit worth his salt would make the > > > > > claim that would > > > > > insinutate a group of pundits chanting > > > > > Vedic verses could change the course of human > > > > > events.... > > > > > > > > i won't address poor Sir Lawson Ji until > > > > his doctors have screened > > > > him for paranoia & delusional behavior. > > > > But having said that- if indeed that > > > > was a "world peace" gathering > > > > in Prayag in 1944(which i am not sayning it was).. > > > > It sadly did not have the > > > > desired effect as how many estimated > > > > millions died during Summer 1944 and Summer 1945 in WWII?? > > > > > > > > How many a-bombs did we drop on Japan in the Summer of 1945? > > > > > > > > > > I never commented on the efficacy of such programs, > > > merely on your claim that they are > > > not traditional. > > > > Namaste Sir Lawson Ji.., > > i must politely inquire-, are you off your meds again?.. > > and when did i *EVER* say yagya was-, "not traditional"?? > > > > Stop making this stuff up!!.. > > i am going stop posting to you if you don't > > get professional help. > > > > > I ask again: what is a mahayagya and... what is it FOR? > > > > Pancha Mahayagya has a fivefold(hence Pancha) > > with desired personal > > results for all aspects of family life > > with regards to *PERSONAL* > > spiritual upliftment: > > 1. DEVOTION TOWARDS PARENTS > > 2. DEVOTION AND FAITHFULNESS TOWARDS THE HUSBAND > > 3. EQUALITY > > 4. RIGHT CONDUCT AND CHARACTER > > 5. ADORATION OF LORD VISHNU AND SINGING HYMNS IN HIS PRAISES > > http://urday.com/panch-2.html > > > > > Hint to lurkers: google "mahayagya" > > > > Sorry LawsonJi nothing with regards to "world peace".., > > now please > > get screened by your professional > > mental health care provider..for > > your family's sake. > > > > Heh. So mahayagya is only for the individual? The term "pancha > mahayajnas" (mahayagyas) refers specifically > to individual daily rituals.
Naamste Sir Lawson Ji.., i must politley remind you the term- "pancha" refers to count of 5 items or things. For example the PanchaTanMantras-(subtle elements of matter) Sabda, Sparsa, Rupa, Rasa and Gandha. i thought you said Annop Chandola schooled you in Sanskrit? > However, mahayajna also refers to the great > rituals done by massive groups for many > different purposes. Had you done a google search > on mahayagya rather than "pancha > mahayagya" you would have noted this > immediately since there is only one hit for "pancha > mahayagya" with quotes: the one you gave us. > Talk about a transparent attempt to skew > the information to support your argument! i did not skew anything Sir Lawsonji. That being said..,lets go through your list to determine: 1). if any of this great info you posted has anything at all to do with the "tmo pundits"..and more importantly John Hagelin's *Anticipated Results* of the "tmo pundit project" in America..and 2). if any of this info has to do with my assertion that-- *the "tmo pundit project" could not influence the american society and its course of human events*, and if anyone(read Mishmashi brahmachari Prasad Varma Mahesh) could make a claim as such. That is what we are discussing here- "tmo pundits" coming to America to influnce its course of human events as outlined by bramachari Mahesh and Dr. Hagelin, PhD. > http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Yajna/id/62894 > yajna: (Sanskrit) "Worship; sacrifice." > One of the most central Hindu concepts - > sacrifice and surrender through acts of worship, > inner and outer. > 1) A form of ritual worship especially > prevalent in Vedic times, > in which oblations - ghee, > grains, spices and exotic woods - are offered > into a fire according to scriptural injunctions > while special mantras are chanted. Sir LawsonJi.., just what has this to do with the Judeo-Christain american society that we live in? > - The element fire, Agni, is revered as the divine > messenger who carries offerings and > prayers to the Gods. > > - The ancient Veda Brahmanas and the Shrauta > Shastras describe various types of yajna > rites, some so elaborate as to require hundreds of priests, > whose powerful chanting > resounds for miles. These major yajnas are > performed in large, open-air structures called > yagashala. > > - Domestic yajnas, prescribed in the Grihya Shastras, > are performed in the family > compound or courtyard. Yajna requires four components, > none of which may be omitted: > dravya, sacrificial substances; tyaga, the spirit > of sacrificing all to God; devata, the celestial > beings who receive the sacrifice; and mantra, > the empowering word or chant. > > - While puja (worship in temples with water, > lights and flowers) has largely replaced the > yajna, this ancient rite still continues, > and its specialized priestly training is > carried on in > schools in India. Sir LawsonJi.., just what has this to do with the Judeo-Christain american society that we live in? This is India(Bharatvarsh) not America. Big difference as we americans do not follow the Varna (caste system of India).. > - Yajnas of a grand scale are performed for > special occasions, beseeching the Gods for > rain during drought, or for peace during bloody civil war. Correct me if i am wrong Sir LawsonJi..,are we in a civil war? > Even in temples, yajna has its > Agamic equivalent in the agnikaraka, the homa or > havana ceremony, held in a fire pit > (homakunda) in an outer mandapa of a temple as > part of elaborate puja rites. > 2) Personal acts of worship or sacrifice. > Life itself is a jivayajna. > > - The Upanishads suggest that one can make > "inner yajnas" by offering up bits of the little > self into the fires of sadhana and tapas until > the greater Self shines forth. > > The five daily yajnas, pancha mahayajna, of > the householder (outlined in the Dharma > Shastras) ensure offerings to rishis, ancestors, > Gods, creatures and men. > They are as follows. This is India(Bharatvarsh) not America. Big difference as we americans do not follow the Varna (caste system of India) > - brahma yajna: (also called Veda yajna or rishi yajna) > "Homage to the seers." > Accomplished through studying and teaching the Vedas. > - deva yajna: "Homage to Gods and elementals." > Recognizing the debt due to those who > guide nature, and the feeding of them by > offering ghee and uncooked grains into the fire. > This is the homa sacrifice. > > - pitri yajna: "Homage to ancestors." > Offering of cakes (pinda) and water > to the family line > and the progenitors of mankind. > > - bhuta yajna: "Homage to beings." Placing food-offerings, > bali, on the ground, intended > for animals, birds, insects, wandering outcastes > and beings of the invisible worlds. ("Let > him gently place on the ground [food] for dogs, > outcastes, svapachas, those diseased from > sins, crows and insects" Manu Dharma Shastras 3.92). > - manushya yajna: "Homage to men." > Feeding guests and the poor, the homeless and the > student. Manushya yajna includes all acts of philanthropy, > such as tithing and charity. The > Vedic study is performed in the morning. Sir LawsonJi.., just what has this to do with the Judeo-Christain american society that we live in? > The other four yajnas are performed just before > taking one's noon meal. Manu Dharma > Shastras (3.80) states, "Let him worship, > according to the rule, the rishis with Veda study, > the devas with homa, the pitris with shraddha, > men with food, and the bhutas with bali." Sir LawsonJi.., just what has this to do with the Judeo-Christain american society that we live in? > Mystics warn that all offerings must be tempered > in the fires of kundalini through the > power of inner yajna to be true and valuable, > just as the fire of awareness is needed to > indelibly imprint ideas and concepts on one's own akashic window. Now lets get to John Hagelin's claims that the- "tmo pundit project" can influence course of human events here in America. > Lawson wrote: > Dr. Hagelin said the number of experts > is about to rise to 1500. His predictions include: > a surge in the bull Dow market towards 15,000 > a drop in oil prices to below $45 a barrel > falling unemployment rates > rising consumer and investor confidence > a 20% drop nationwide in violent crime > a peaceful resolution of the standoffs with > North Korea and Iran, and a dramatic reduction > in violence in Iraq > and of greatest interest to the Republicans > and Democrats: the party that wins the > November elections will be in a position > to hold onto power "indefinitely" Sir Lawsonji.. i am sorry i just donot see any correlation to your claims regarding "mahayagya" performed in Bharatvarsh(India) and the "tmo pundit project" here in America. As, there is no mention (in your info) of a "mahayagya" that could come from a predomiantly "Hindu"/Vedic Sanatana Dharma society, and be performed by "tmo pundits".., to exert specific influences(as outlined by Dr. John Hagelin, PhD) on a predomiantly multi-racial Judeo-Christian American society! Do you?? 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