--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > > > I'm not sure how any
> > > > composer could write any music down without first
> > > > hearing it in his/her head, any more than a writer
> > > > writes without first hearing the words in his/her
> > > > head.  ...
> > > 
> > > Just like writers have different ways of writing so 
> > > do musicians have different ways of composing.  
> > 
> > Yeah, what he said. Just FYI, writers who have to 
> > hear the words in their head before writing them 
> > down are the counterpart of "mouth readers" when 
> > reading. Slows you down and is definitely not 
> > necessary, except maybe for poetry and to get a 
> > strong feel for dialogue. Sometimes the process
> > is concept --> language, without an intervening
> > stop at speech.
> > 
> > I know, I know...somebody's going to come running
> > in and say something like, "...also without a stop
> > at thinking," which is possible, but not my point. :-)
> > I'm just making the point that the idea of the usual
> > progression as concept --> "hearing" it in your 
> > head --> paper is not always true. Many writers 
> > skip the middle step entirely.
> 
> Just because this subject interests me, here's a
> followup. I would bet that programmers can identify
> with what I'm saying. You read a spec and get the
> concept of the thing that has to be expressed in
> code, and the code just comes out. I would bet that
> most programmers don't pause to put the code that
> they're writing into audible words and sound them
> out in their head. Right, programmers?

Of course they don't.

> Well, it's the same thing when programming English,
> or any other language. Once you have the syntax
> down,

The syntax, once you've mastered it, "lives" in the
sense of hearing, just as it does with writing.

 you can go straight from concept to descrip-
> tion of that concept on paper, without ever hear-
> ing the sounds in one's head. I would imagine the
> same thing is true for mathematicians who have the
> syntax of math down pat, and for physicists who have
> the syntax of physics down pat. Sounding things out
> in one's head is an unnecessary step that can slow
> down (and sometimes stifle) the process of creation.

Absolutely.  As I said, it isn't a matter of "sounding
things out in one's head."

> For dialogue, I agree that it's essential. Otherwise,
> you wind up writing dialogue that sounds like it
> was written by David Mamet. :-)

Not necessarily even with dialogue, any more than you
sound words out in your head before you speak.





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