--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> People make a mistake when they view advaitin
> teachings as presenting conceptual models of
> Realization for a waking state intellect. For the
> waking state intellect they are obviously lacking as
> you and others have pointed out. It doesn't mean what
> they say is false or wrong, its just that they are
> meant to be applied in two ways: as a tool for
> transcendence or as a conceptual understanding of a
> direct experience that you are having. Contrast this
> with MMY's teaching which presents a conceptual model
> of Realization for a waking state intellect. The
> waking state mind has something to chew on, as it
> were, and functions as a belief system to motivate the
> seeker to continue doing sadhana. The real value is in
> the sadhana, day in and day out, doing the program,
> not in the conceptual model. But once Realization
> occurs, the wakingstate model doesn't fit anymore. It
> is recognized as a "useful fiction" for waking state
> sadhana. Only in Realization do the advaitin teachings
> make any conceptual sense. Prior to Realization they
> appear to deny the rather clear experience of the
> space-time reality of waking state.
>
Beautifully and precisely said! As a note, when I read the
Nisargadatta quote, he doesn't negate the limited self, he just
clearly no longer identifies with it. So it continues to be a
balanced view of life.
