--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter <drpetersutphen@> wrote: > > > > > > People make a mistake when they view advaitin > > > teachings as presenting conceptual models of > > > Realization for a waking state intellect. For the > > > waking state intellect they are obviously lacking as > > > you and others have pointed out. It doesn't mean what > > > they say is false or wrong, its just that they are > > > meant to be applied in two ways: as a tool for > > > transcendence or as a conceptual understanding of a > > > direct experience that you are having. Contrast this > > > with MMY's teaching which presents a conceptual model > > > of Realization for a waking state intellect. The > > > waking state mind has something to chew on... > > > > I would add, "and to cling to, as a mechanism for > > keeping the actual experience of realization away..." > > And some waking-state minds cling to this notion > about other waking-state minds, fervently believing > (hoping?) that these other minds chew on the conceptual > model in order to keep the actual experience of > realization away, when in fact "chewing on" and > "clinging to" aren't necessarily always joined at the > hip (especially when one has the regular experience > of transcending). <snip> Yep, important distinction to make- that with the regular experience of transcending, that clinging will eventually give way. Or there is set up such a cognitive dissonance between the experience of transcending and the waking state that meditation is stopped.
Turq's description seems closer to an intellectual argument presented to those practicing more of a mindfulness technique while remaining in the waking state, so the challenge is constantly to the waking state ego, stated in terms of the waking state ego. Without the unwinding that continual transcending brings about, this technique seems most useful if practiced in direct proximity to an enlightened Master. Otherwise, there is no opportunity for the required purification to take place in order to experience Realization.
