--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
> wrote:
> <snip>
> > > > No "purification" is required to experience realization.
> > > > Realization is present at every moment and has always 
> > > > been present at every moment of one's life. There was
> > > > no moment in which one was ever *not* realized. 
> > > > 
> > > > Not realizing one's enlightenment is a choice, not a 
> > > > matter of a "clogged" or "impure" nervous system. 
> > > > 
> > > > IMO, of course. Your mileage may vary.
> > > 
> > > And your evidence for this is...
> > > 
> > > Your own "experience?"
> > 
> > Yup. And that of dozens of my friends and hundreds
> > of people within the traditions I have studied.
> > They have actually *had* the experience of realization,
> > unlike some traditions that can only talk about it in
> > theory and come up with excuses for why *their* students
> > *don't* have the experience itself.
> 
> Which traditions would those be?
>
it sounds like 'Shamanism', only its called 'Strawmanism'...:-)

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