--The discussion below separates the "They" from relative experience, something the Dalai Lama never does. From a Buddhist perspective, there's just "existence". According to Buddhist teachings, Enlightenment awakens people to the Real nature of existence; but there's no philosophical separation between supposed "two" identities. Any such discussion is only from the viewpoint of cc.
In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No, it only appears to be nonsense due to lack of > experience with pure consciousness. Let me explain. > First of all, from a waking state perspective, that is > from a perspective wherein consciousness is bound by > the object of experiencing, the question makes sense. > In waking state there is a rather self-evident ego, a > "me" or "I" that appears to be present in all > experiencing. This "I" also seems to be surrounded by > a vast universe of relative experiences both > subjective and objective. The "I" is inside the > universe. So from this perspective questions like > "where does an enlightened person go when they drop > the body" appears to make sense because it assumes an > "I" in enlightenment as in waking state. In short, > what will this "I" experience when it is enlightened > and where will it be when it no longer is inside a > body. But enlightenment is the awakening to the > infinite value of Self. And if something is infinite > it is outside of relative measure; outside of all time > and space contraints. The Self of realization is not > localized. It is not inside the body, nor is it inside > the universe. It is nowhere from a relative > perspective; it doesn't exist as an "I" or "me." But > experience does continue, obviously, but now rather > than being an "I" inside of all the experiencing, all > experincing is "inside" pure consciousness. Everything > gets turned on its head. All experience is simply > something quite insignificant and not really > real...whatever that means! So I'm sure when a > realized person dies, the relative experincing will > change, but "they" don't go anywhere. How could they? > There is no localized self to come and go. > Consciousness always "is." Experiences come and go. > Death of the body is just another experience. > > --- hyperbolicgeometry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Peter > > <drpetersutphen@> > > wrote: > > >(below): typical Neo-Advaita nonsense. The > > discussion pertains to > > the body, in the relative sense. > > > You are making assumptions out of waking state. In > > > realization there is nobody to go anyplace. > > > > > > --- Jeff Fischer <jeffcandace@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > When one has *awakened* where do they go when > > they > > > > drop the body? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Or go to: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >
