--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> 
wrote:
> >
> > Steve, odd that the current course is quite successful, 
> > with the underwriting of the course, the arrival of the 
> > pundits, the experiences reported, and yet you see it 
> > in an entirely negative light...What does that say about 
> > your spiritual practice? Not much, in my book.
> 
> Vaj sees things his way, you see things your way, that's
> all. 
<snip>
> First the TMO asked its "movement" to come, then they begged 
> the "movement" to come, then they dropped the price and 
> begged again, and finally they resorted to threats and 
> started making noises about the horrible things that would 
> happen to the world if they *didn't* come. Nobody else came.

Actually, they *started* with the horrible things
that would happen to the world if they didn't come.

<snip>
> Jim, I've been watching the short history of this course
> fairly closely, and I don't think I've mistated the
> sequence of events above.

Actually, you did; see above.

 What does it say about *your* 
> spiritual practice that you see that history as a "success?" 

Was Jim referring to the history of the movement,
or the course itself?  I do believe it was the latter.
(Another non sequitur slam.  Or perhaps Barry's New
Year's Eve celebration didn't quite result in the
enhanced clarity he'd predicted.)

Obviously he has a different definition of "success"
than you do.  Jim sees things his way, you see things
your way, that's all.  If the goal was to get a group
together, then they've succeeded very nicely indeed,
whatever the means. 

> A "movement" only "moves" when it has members *to* move.
> If you've systematically driven them all away for decades
> and *then* ask them to move and they don't, I think that
> the sane thing to do would be to step back and rethink
> all that you've done to *destroy* your own movement. The 
> TMO, obviously, doesn't think that way; they'd rather hire 
> kids from India so that they can pretend they still
> have one.

If they truly believe the course is necessary to
save the world from imminent disaster, it would be
folly for them to step back and rethink their previous
actions rather than do whatever they could to get
a group together as quickly as possible.


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