In a message dated 1/3/07 10:10:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

We  didn't in previous wars.

We didn't dump our ideals in the interests  of
winning in previous wars.




We didn't? Look back at what the North did to the South to bring the  
Southern states into submission. Burned homes and towns after stealing anything 
 of 
value. Killing all livestock that the United States Army could not use.  Taking 
all food stores from the individual people in order to starve them.  
Destroying all infrastructure. See Sherman's march to the sea. Not to mention  
suspending constitutional rights in Northern states. Also  the  wholesale  
deliberate 
starvation and murder of prisoners of war by the tens  of thousands. Lets 
fast forward to WWII, fire bombing of German and Japanese  cities killing 
hundreds of thousands of civilians, internment camps for Japanese  citizens, 
FBI 
watch of German/Americans, censoring of mail . I really think  we would all be 
very naive if we didn't think we used coercive means    in the interrogation of 
prisoners since the ACLU either wasn't around  or was ignored.  Prisoners of 
war had no rights other than the Geneva  accord, no constitutional rights ever 
! 
Lets not forget the use of Atomic  weaponry to end the war.< I'm not 
suggesting the United States needs to use  any or all of these methods  and 
tactics in 
a modern war, but war is not  meant to be nice and civilized , it's meant to 
bring your enemy into submission  at any cost and once you have broken his 
will to resist and continue to fight,  then you work at  winning his heart and 
mind  or what's left of it,  just as we had done in all wars previous to the 
Korean conflict. No, we didn't  dump our ideals, but war was treated like war 
and 
was taken very seriously until  it was over. Then we show compassion and 
mercy. Until we can treat a war like a  war, in all seriousness, and be united 
until it's completion and stop treating  it like a political football which the 
enemy watches very carefully and can then  wait until frustration to sets in, 
we're just pissing in the  wind. 

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