On Jan 12, 2007, at 3:35 PM, llundrub wrote:
They have no Buddhist samayas as these include not despairaging past masters.
Actually Buddha insisted no one accept anything at face value and to question authority: esp. those claiming to be great gurus (I'm doubting this would exclude todays McMasters and avatards). The Dalai Lama has also explicitly stated that when things go wrong with a guru (sexcapades, etc.) you need to let everyone know what went down, even putting it in newspapers. Their samayas to their own consciences are intact.
And if the website is correct: they've helped thousands. That's a good thing. And they were also the front troops of people really standing up and questioning the authority of the TMO. And they took the brunt of TB abuse along with the collective egregore of the rank- and-file believers. It's always been extremely important for bleeding heart TB's to spread misinformation on these first dissenters. Hardline TMers hurl themselves on these people like they were Palestinians with bombs strapped to their bodies.
