--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of authfriend > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 2:09 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote: > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] > > On Behalf Of sparaig > > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:46 AM > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > This could be #1 in a "Effort in Meditation FAQ". > > > > > > On Mar 3, 2007, at 7:54 AM, Peter wrote: > > > > > > > Intent is subtle effort. Intent is present in TM. > > > > Except, one need not have intent to do TM. > > > > Maharishi, on my TTC, quoting some Vedic scripture: "Be > > easy to us with gentle effort." He gave a whole lecture, > > or part of one, about how TM did actually involve "gentle > > effort." > > That scripture quote is meaningless without context, > Rick, as I've pointed out before. > > I don't recall that he provided a context. Maybe it was a lecture about the > effortless of TM, and he decided to introduce that quote. > > And as I recently posted, Charlie Donahue is quoted > as saying TM doesn't even involve *intent* (which is > my experience, and obviously Lawson's as well). > > Do you have the intent to sit in the chair, or does an > unseen hand put you there? Do you have the intent to > close your eyes?
Red herring. Nobody's disputing that sitting to meditate and closing the eyes isn't intentional. Sure, the mantra may come > automatically after you close them. We all have that > experience. But there's a difference between doing TM > and just sitting and daydreaming, and that difference, > IMO, involves intent, or purpose. With regard to sitting down and closing the eyes, certainly. One has the intention to meditate, and nobody ever said otherwise. But the meditation itself, the process, is not intentional.
