--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], hermandan0 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > The whole question is elementary and not really worth > > arguing about. > > I think the whole point is that some TMers have turned > it *into* an argument, and do so again every time this > subject comes up here.
No, it's when former TMers like Vaj disdainfully insist that there's effort involved and that TMers are lying about it, while getting a bunch of things about what MMY teaches disastrously, unequivocally wrong, demonstrating that they don't know what the hell they're talking about. Hernando has it right: "gentle effort" is to be used in TM *only* to kickstart the mantra when it doesn't arise on its own. As some have suggested, it kinda > looks as if they have done so because they are more > attached to the dogma they were taught being "right" > than they are to common sense. No, it doesn't look like that at all. What it looks like is the TMers speaking from their own experience. And when you actually understand what goes on in TM on the basis of personal experience, it makes a lot more sense than the utter drivel Vaj is pushing so hard.
