--- In [email protected], hermandan0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The whole question is elementary and not really worth > arguing about.
I think the whole point is that some TMers have turned it *into* an argument, and do so again every time this subject comes up here. As some have suggested, it kinda looks as if they have done so because they are more attached to the dogma they were taught being "right" than they are to common sense. > It doesn't mean TM is a concentration technique and > there is some huge lie or a plot to fool stupid > gullible TMers who are too dumb to know the difference > between effortlessness and effort, nor is it a great > crack in TM dogma or theory if we admit it. It just is. > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote: > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > On Behalf Of authfriend > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 2:09 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer" <rick@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:[email protected] > > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] > > > > > On Behalf Of sparaig > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:46 AM > > > > > To: [email protected] <mailto:FairfieldLife% > > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist > > Sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , Vaj <vajranatha@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > This could be #1 in a "Effort in Meditation FAQ". > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 3, 2007, at 7:54 AM, Peter wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Intent is subtle effort. Intent is present in TM. > > > > > > > Lawson: > > > > > Except, one need not have intent to do TM. > > > > > > > Rick: > > > > > Maharishi, on my TTC, quoting some Vedic scripture: "Be > > > > > easy to us with gentle effort." He gave a whole lecture, > > > > > or part of one, about how TM did actually involve "gentle > > > > > effort." > > > > > > Judy: > > > > That scripture quote is meaningless without context, > > > > Rick, as I've pointed out before. > > > > > > Rick: > > > > I don't recall that he provided a context. Maybe it was > > > > a lecture about the effortless of TM, and he decided to > > > > introduce that quote. > > > > *Of course* there was a context. He didn't just sit > > there and suddenly come up with the quote and then > > start talking about something completely different. > > > > "A lecture about the effortlessness of TM" is > > nowhere near adequate context to fathom the meaning > > of the quote. > > > > Don't you know what "context" means? > > >
