--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote: > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Behalf Of sparaig > > > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:46 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > This could be #1 in a "Effort in Meditation FAQ". > > > > > > > > On Mar 3, 2007, at 7:54 AM, Peter wrote: > > > > > > > > > Intent is subtle effort. Intent is present in TM. > > > > > > Except, one need not have intent to do TM. > > > > > > Maharishi, on my TTC, quoting some Vedic scripture: "Be > > > easy to us with gentle effort." He gave a whole lecture, > > > or part of one, about how TM did actually involve "gentle > > > effort." > > > > That scripture quote is meaningless without context, > > Rick, as I've pointed out before. > > > > And as I recently posted, Charlie Donahue is quoted > > as saying TM doesn't even involve *intent* (which is > > my experience, and obviously Lawson's as well). > > > > There's some kind of subtle semantic finagling going > > on here that serves to confuse rather than to clarify. > > I wasn't there, but I suspect that MMY's point was > that "at most" some subtle effort MIGHT be involved, > especially at the start.
Who the hell knows? We can't possibly tell without context. Rick can't provide a verbatim transcript, and we can't just accept without question his interpretation of a long-ago lecture illustrated by a quote that has no meaning out of context. None of the folks insisting effort and intent are involved will address the quote I posted from Charlie Donahue, who says TM isn't even *intentional*. It's such a subtle point, and so absolutely crucial to TM's effectiveness.
