On Mar 8, 2007, at 12:43 PM, sparaig wrote:

--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Mar 8, 2007, at 11:18 AM, sparaig wrote:

Are you under the impression that PC is an active mental state,
filled with thoughts and
problem-solving activities?


There is no mention of PC in the citation Sparaig. I believe the
researchers refer to PC as a "metaphysical
assertion" rather than any sceintific reality. In fact the idea that
people are experiencing something called PC, is one indoctrinated in
them before they begin the practice. Unfortunately, it does not
appear the researchers are aware of the tendency for "experience
coaching".


Er, yeah, but the citation of Travis 2004 clearly discusses PC and CC.


Exactly the point, these are all metaphysical assertions, not scientific realities, further more TMers--particularly long-term TMers are coached as to what these experiences are supposed to be and what they are supposed to mean.

I can't say for sure, but it looks to me as if TM research has largely been discredited here. All the claims we've heard for years and years were not only huge exaggerations, but really, really reaching beyond what was scientifically feasible. A bunch of more research on the same old thing isn't likely to change anything (except perhaps make it look even more suspect). What I am forced to wonder is 'was there some high-up figurehead in the TMO *insisting* this is what the data meant', even though it did not. That's what it sounds like is happening.

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