---There's no contention that all is already "That". The point is to Realize IT. Are you saying that people are to instantaneously realize IT simply because you say "Ye are already THAT?".
In [email protected], "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Comment below: > > ** > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "matrixmonitor" > > <matrixmonitor@> wrote: > > > > > > ---Yes, Tolle, Ramana, and Papaji are examples of individuals who > > > awakened more or less spontaneously without the need of prior > > > practices. In a statistical curve, such persons are in the > > > 99.99999....% percentile. The rest of us laggards need > > > good "techniques" like TM. > > > > Thanks, Matrix. > > > > Like Jim, I've been enjoying this five posts thang. > > It's a cool creative environment, like playing a > > raga -- a fixed structure and scale, but within that, > > total improvisation. So I've been waiting for the > > right post to respond to for my last post of the day. > > > > I completely understand what you said above. There > > are days when I believe it myself. But today, for > > some reason, what I'm wondering is whether the *only* > > difference between these individuals and you and I > > is that they got over the belief that they *needed* > > something to realize what had always already been > > present. > > > > What if that's IT, The Thing that Makes All The > > Difference? > > > > What if we're "laggards" only because we believe > > we are? I mean, dude, we're *all* composed of the > > same infinity as Tolle, Ramana, and Papaji, right? > > > > One of the spiritual teachers I studied with along > > the Way said something once to a group of his > > students that I've never forgotten. He looked out > > at all these flaky assholes he'd attracted as > > students and at all the shit they put themselves > > through and he sighed. One of those heavy spiritual > > teacher sighs...you know what I mean. And then he > > said, "Y'know...the only difference between you and > > me is that I'm ahead of you in time." > > > > I like that. That's a neat thing for a spiritual > > teacher to say. It levels the playing field and > > cuts through the bullshit and gets down to the > > real nitty-gritty question that pretty much every > > spiritual teacher in human history has had to ask > > themselves -- "What is it that these guys are not > > getting that I am?" > > > > In my opinion none of them have ever found a suit- > > able answer, or otherwise all of their students > > would have realized their own enlightenment. Right? > > > > But what if the only difference between those who > > spontaneously realize their always-already-present > > enlightenment and those who do not is this feeling > > of *needing* something to make it happen? Wouldn't > > it be a real trip if the ultimate technique for > > realizing enlightenment turned out to be the reali- > > zation that there is no need for a technique? > > > **end** > > I'm very down with this new version of FFL, too. Kudos to one and > all. > > Here's a couple of my pennies on the above subject (and thanks to > everyone who has weighed in on it). As many others have pointed out > before, "Realization" implies that whatever It Is, It *already* Is > and at some point It recognizes That. Nothing mediates that > realization. Nothing has to happen for that realization because > nothing *has* happened to It to begin with. Ignorance is only > apparent, not actual. > > Time and matter appear to exist because attention is drawn through > the senses to the fractionalization of the totality. In other words, > the eyes only see, the ears only hear, etc., etc. They are means > through which only certain spectrums of experience are possible and > attention becomes associated with those discrete bands of experience > even while the totality is continuous and unbounded. > > We don't have a sense organ for totality and so it may seem that we > aren't aware of it. Attention becomes fixated on experience through > the senses and "overlooks" That which underlies all experience, the > Self. It Is never not. When That happens to awaken to ItSelf then, > once and for all, the realization that nothing has ever happened > dawns. > > That's all. >
