In order to have cause and effect, there must be the dimension of time present. Therefore, these laws do apply in the relative world of time and sequence. But, in the Transcendent, there is no time, it doesn't exist. So, when one has an intension, in a place of no-time... Different laws of nature apply. This is where miracles occur. Sure, if Rome's Pilot commanded Jesus to quick; Perform a miracle for some ego satisfaction.. It would have been quite difficult to do that; Because of that consciousness being so literal,material, time- oriented... Miracles only occur, outside of time. It is an experience which cannot be explained in linear terms. That's why they call it a miracle; You must be open to something greater than your ego. That's all. Jesus said, that we all could perform miracles greater than he. Why is that so hard to believe? Why is it so hard to believe, that you could transcend time, and change anything? r.g. --- In [email protected], "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Curtis wrote: > > Since none of us actually experience causation... > > > You may want to re-think this statement, Curtis. Apparently > you got confused and went over to the transcendentalist > point of view without realizing it. If you were a philosophy > major at MUM, this is understandable. > > But, in fact, everyone experiences Causation. Everyone knows > that human excrement always flows downstream. In philosophy, > Causation is a relationship that describes and analyses > cause and effect. > > In physics, we get from this the first law of thermodynamics: > energy can be neither created nor destroyed, which gives rise > to the second law of thermodynamics involving entropy. > > According to most Western philosophers, Causality denotes > a logical relationship between one physical event, the cause, > and another physical event, the effect - the cause-effect relationship. > > In the transcendentalist view, (Mandukya Upanishad, Brahma > Sutras, Yoga Vashishta) there is mention of causality, but > causality is explained as part of the creation of the universe, > a concept which is opposed to the deterministic view of modern > science. > > In a deterministic world-view, there is nothing but Causation, > which has been described as a chain of events following one > after another according to the law of Causation. > > "All causes of things are beginnings; that we have scientific > knowledge when we know the cause; that to know a thing's > existence is to know the reason why it is". - Aristotle > > "Because of this, that happens". - Gotoma > > "Looking at the sky, he fell into a ditch". - Punditster
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