--- In [email protected], "John Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Hi,
> 
> I'm new to this list, so I hope the following post is appropriate. 
It is 
> also somewhat lengthy, for which I apologise - conciseness was 
never my 
> strong point. But I am in search of a spot of advice, and wondered 
if anyone 
> here could help...
> 
> I learned TM about nine months or so (I know, a newbie!). It 
appealed to me 
> since whislt I consider myself in a sense spiritual, I am not 
religious, and 
> TM seemed to offer a non-faith based approach to meditation. And 
it has not 
> been entirely without benefit. But since then I have suffered 
increasingly 
> from insomnia. Not to a dreadful degree, but I'm lucky if I get 
three hours 
> sleep a night. Growing unhappy with my instructor's standard 'part 
of the 
> process' response, I took a look online and found this wasn't 
entirely 
> uncommon, and nor was it necessarily temporary. But, in addition, 
I also 
> came upon the translations of the mantras. And here lies my real 
problem.
> 
> I am not overly bothered by the deception involved when I was 
told, on 
> learning, that they are without meaning, since, for me at least, 
they were. 
> But not any more. Now it seems to me that any universal truth has, 
by 
> definition, to transcend cultures, or it is not universal. The 
laws of 
> gravity, for example, might have been discovered in the west, but 
gravity 
> works everywhere at all times no matter what it is called or how 
it is 
> defined (well, a few claims to the contrary aside!). The processes 
of 
> nature, the existence of the bundle of emotions and feelings we 
define as 
> love, the existence of bad television shows...the list goes on, in 
all 
> disciplines of life. And if meditation has value, then similarly, 
the same 
> should be the case, must be the case.
> 
> So. There seem to me to be two possibilities. One, that the actual 
mantra 
> used is irrrelvant, meaningless. Just a word to return to during 
meditation 
> as a way of letting go of thought. But if this is so, why the 
insistence, in 
> TM and indeed other traditions, on the use of particular mantras? 
Or two, 
> that the mantra used is important, and does have meaning. >>


"Meaning" is what people give to anything they like. Do you really 
think there is a big blue guy floating around in the clouds with a 
trident skewered with human souls, and a chowawa at his feet? And 
that he is at war with an incandescent red Harpi with who rides a 
white leapord and carries babies skulls in her hands??? 

If this is what you believe then good luck wit' that.


But if this is so, 
> then the technique is not universal but rooted in a particular 
culture. 
> Moreover, when meditating I am in effect praying to a god not of 
my culture, 
> and of whom I have no knowledge, which leaves me deeply 
uncomfortable.>>

Why are you afraid of Gods? You are human for chrise sakes !   
Grow-up man.

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