> > Rory, with all due respect, you're not exactly
> > tuned in here.
>
> You're right! I'm not tuned in to agree completely with
> what *you* are saying. It's not that I didn't understand
> it; I was offering a different look at it.
You still don't understand, Rory! That makes
you WRONG!!! There IS only one way of looking
at things, the Judy Way. Anything else is
delusion or mean-spiritedness, and if it's
repeated several times after she's "refuted"
it by expressing the RIGHT way of looking at
things, the repetition becomes lying.
Face it, dude...you're on the road to becoming
Yet Another FFL Liar. :-)
> To rephrase: I am suggesting that what Barry *says* he
> wants, and what he *really* wants, may not be the same
> thing. He *says* he wants people to ignore you...
Just to pour some gasoline on the fire :-), that's
not precisely what I said recently. What I did was
express in words what already seems to be happening.
Most folks on this forum already ignore her, and
never bother to respond to her posts. On the whole,
the only people who still DO respond fall into two
categories. The first is the TBs who agree with her
because she's a TM TB, one of the few left on the
forum; this group would include Nablus and Off and
Jim and occasionally others.
The second group consists of those (in my *opinion*)
who, although they may be fools for doing so, still
have some hope that there really IS a human being
inside Judy Stein somewhere, and that if they try
long enough, someday they might actually help it to
"come out of its closet" and express itself. This
group -- whom I henceforth dub as The Compassion
Group -- consists of you, Shemp, Vaj, Rick, Curtis,
myself, and a few others.
Just as a matter of definition, the first group is
always RIGHT; the second group is always WRONG. :-)
But the second group has more fun, because they
won't give up on someone who has gone to extra-
ordinary lengths to get them TO give up on her.
You want to see Judy REALLY hit the roof? Express
compassion towards her. Watch what happens. In fact,
watch how she reacts to this post of yours.
> ...what he may really want, is to continue to engage you,
> to "nip" you -- to do whatever it takes to irritate and
> get a rise out of you, virtually regardless of the seeming
> content of his posts. If so, I'd say his tactics appear
> to be working beautifully, and have been *for years*.
> N'est-ce pas?
I'd have to say that this is a valid way of seeing
things, with one minor correction. I rarely try to
engage with the "you" you refer to above, the self
that has Judy firmly under its control, and that
has made her a prisoner of its machinations, an
automaton that "has" to compulsively lash out at
any way of seeing things except her own. I occas-
ionally try to speak to the Self that she really is,
but that doesn't really work, as you found out
earlier on FFL. All she does is *get mad* when you
remind her that she's already enlightened.
So in lieu of being able to speak to the Self, I
occasionally may taunt the self that has her in its
control, to (as you say) get a rise out of it, to
get it to *act out* its silly fantasies in public
*even more*, and thus get *laughed at* by more people.
It is my fervent spiritual belief that the more people
laugh at one's self, the greater the chance that
someday the self will become able to laugh at itself.
The corollary belief, of course, is that a self that
can laugh at itself is a Good Thing.
. . .
> > But I don't care in the slightest if he ignores
> > me; I'll continue to comment on his sophistry as
> > I see fit.
>
> As well you should! What good is one hand clapping?
It kinda depends upon what it's clapped around,
n'est-ce pas? If the one hand is clapping on thin
air, not much happens. On the other hand, if one
claps one hand on one's sexual organs, a great
deal can happen. :-)
It is my position that the neverending game of
"proving" that the small s self is RIGHT, and that
other small s selves are WRONG is a lot like the
second "one hand clapping." It's mental mastur-
bation. As long as that one hand is clapping away
at all that sensitive erectile tissue, the self can
pretend that it exists. It "knows" that it exists,
because it's literally playing with its self. :-)
There may even be a sense of momentary pleasure or
fulfillment as a result OF self playing with its
self by doing the one-hand-clapping boogie. A little
sigh here ("I'm *important*; I stood up for 'truth'
and 'righteousness' and 'honesty' and others didn't."),
a little orgasm here and there ("I *won* the argument.")
But in the end it all comes down to self playing with
its self. And in public. Except for a few pervs, nobody
is really terribly interested in watching someone else
"clap off" in public.
And when someone from The Compassion Group points out,
compassionately, that all this self clapping self
stuff looks -- from another point of view -- a *lot*
like clapping in thin air, and accomplishes just about
as much in the long run, well the self has a *chance*
to reflect, and to decide whether to continue abusing
itself (and others) in public.
Chances are that a self that has been masturbating in
public for 12-13 years without a letup IS going to
continue doing so. One of the toughest things in the
world to change is a chronic, compulsive masturbator.
But that doesn't mean you can't try, from time to
time. The *smart* thing to do would be to leave the
masturbating fiend alone and let her keep clapping
away. But the *compassionate* thing might be to, from
time to time, remind her that she's just one more
self playing with itself, and not accomplishing much
more than if she *were* masturbating in public.
I applaud your attempt to be compassionate with Judy
from time to time, Rory. It kinda balances out my
version of compassion, which is to occasionally taunt
the self into masturbating even more furiously. Hope-
fully one of us will "get through" someday, and she'll
be able to realize Self and get over all this silly
self stuff. Maybe not. But at least we tried, *even
though* she's done her best to keep us from trying.
