Very sweet, Rory, thank you. And nicely said. **
--- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, I don't really see the people on FFL lined up into the two camps > you described, Turq, and I am not trying to heal Judy. I see nothing > in Judy that needs fixing, any more than I see anything in you that > needs fixing. I didn't find when I tried to point out her a-priori > enlightenment, that she just "got mad." Rather, she showed me rich > and lovely multisensory layers of a particle-self of mine that had > *not* been loved before -- including constriction, stagnation, > suffocation, deep shame, and finally, beneath it all, Love. That's > how the process usually works for me -- I introduce a Truth, process > the bodymind's objections, and discover a deeper and richer synthesis > as all my particles come to Understand and be Understood in a whole > new light. > > That's my *only* "goal" in communicating with anyone here -- to find > more of my unloved and underappreciated particles and to Understand > and Love them, and thereby to be Understood and Loved -- to expand, > to grow in simplicity, while simultaneously becoming more rich and > subtle and nuanced and complex. It's fun -- generally delightful and > immensely rewarding. > > I do this because for me there is no real difference between a small > self and a large Self. Loving the small self is feeding oblations to > the large Self, expanding the influence of the large Self, helping > the Immense and the infinitesimal to appreciate each other as two > sides of the same coin. Being Shiva, utterly free, includes adoring > Shakti -- every particle of Creation -- as Shiva's bodymind, the > perfect Lover. > > Whether any of this has *any* bearing on what *you guys* go > through, "out there, outside of me" -- if there *is* an "out there, > outside of me" -- is of no real import to me; it's not my business; > it can't be my business. Shalom Shanti Shanti! :-) > > --- In [email protected], new.morning <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > I quite view things differently than you. First, as far as the TB > camp > > assumption, the TB's agreeing with everything she writes, is silly > > since she writes on many things other than TM. And we all appear to > > have differnt defs of TB. In mine, Judy is hardly a TB.Just beacuse > > someone likes something doesn't make them a TB, IMO. > > > > Second, if those in the so-called healers group, really do belive > they > > are healers, which other than you and perhaps rory, I doubt, I would > > suggest they "heal thyself first", take out the log sitting in their > > own eye before commenting on, judging, and attempting to remove a > > small splinter in Judy's eye. > > > > Third, I think there is a significant third group, you are the > king -- > > or rogue leader of the scoundrels :), who find nothing better to > amuse > > themselves with than to regularly bait Judy (despite your repeated > > vows to not do so, to not read her posts, to not give her > > "attention"). Why Judy regularly takes the bait is mystifying to me, > > but to each their own. As I said, some posts are not worthy of a > > response -- and yours and others' baiting posts are core examples of > > such. And that you find your baiting amusing is even more > > mystifying. I find it pretty childish if not mean spirited. > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Rory, with all due respect, you're not exactly > > > > > tuned in here. > > > > > > > > You're right! I'm not tuned in to agree completely with > > > > what *you* are saying. It's not that I didn't understand > > > > it; I was offering a different look at it. > > > > > > You still don't understand, Rory! That makes > > > you WRONG!!! There IS only one way of looking > > > at things, the Judy Way. Anything else is > > > delusion or mean-spiritedness, and if it's > > > repeated several times after she's "refuted" > > > it by expressing the RIGHT way of looking at > > > things, the repetition becomes lying. > > > > > > Face it, dude...you're on the road to becoming > > > Yet Another FFL Liar. :-) > > > > > > > To rephrase: I am suggesting that what Barry *says* he > > > > wants, and what he *really* wants, may not be the same > > > > thing. He *says* he wants people to ignore you... > > > > > > Just to pour some gasoline on the fire :-), that's > > > not precisely what I said recently. What I did was > > > express in words what already seems to be happening. > > > Most folks on this forum already ignore her, and > > > never bother to respond to her posts. On the whole, > > > the only people who still DO respond fall into two > > > categories. The first is the TBs who agree with her > > > because she's a TM TB, one of the few left on the > > > forum; this group would include Nablus and Off and > > > Jim and occasionally others. > > > > > > The second group consists of those (in my *opinion*) > > > who, although they may be fools for doing so, still > > > have some hope that there really IS a human being > > > inside Judy Stein somewhere, and that if they try > > > long enough, someday they might actually help it to > > > "come out of its closet" and express itself. This > > > group -- whom I henceforth dub as The Compassion > > > Group -- consists of you, Shemp, Vaj, Rick, Curtis, > > > myself, and a few others. > > > > > > Just as a matter of definition, the first group is > > > always RIGHT; the second group is always WRONG. :-) > > > > > > But the second group has more fun, because they > > > won't give up on someone who has gone to extra- > > > ordinary lengths to get them TO give up on her. > > > > > > You want to see Judy REALLY hit the roof? Express > > > compassion towards her. Watch what happens. In fact, > > > watch how she reacts to this post of yours. > > > > > > > ...what he may really want, is to continue to engage you, > > > > to "nip" you -- to do whatever it takes to irritate and > > > > get a rise out of you, virtually regardless of the seeming > > > > content of his posts. If so, I'd say his tactics appear > > > > to be working beautifully, and have been *for years*. > > > > N'est-ce pas? > > > > > > I'd have to say that this is a valid way of seeing > > > things, with one minor correction. I rarely try to > > > engage with the "you" you refer to above, the self > > > that has Judy firmly under its control, and that > > > has made her a prisoner of its machinations, an > > > automaton that "has" to compulsively lash out at > > > any way of seeing things except her own. I occas- > > > ionally try to speak to the Self that she really is, > > > but that doesn't really work, as you found out > > > earlier on FFL. All she does is *get mad* when you > > > remind her that she's already enlightened. > > > > > > So in lieu of being able to speak to the Self, I > > > occasionally may taunt the self that has her in its > > > control, to (as you say) get a rise out of it, to > > > get it to *act out* its silly fantasies in public > > > *even more*, and thus get *laughed at* by more people. > > > It is my fervent spiritual belief that the more people > > > laugh at one's self, the greater the chance that > > > someday the self will become able to laugh at itself. > > > The corollary belief, of course, is that a self that > > > can laugh at itself is a Good Thing. > > > > > > . . . > > > > > > > > But I don't care in the slightest if he ignores > > > > > me; I'll continue to comment on his sophistry as > > > > > I see fit. > > > > > > > > As well you should! What good is one hand clapping? > > > > > > It kinda depends upon what it's clapped around, > > > n'est-ce pas? If the one hand is clapping on thin > > > air, not much happens. On the other hand, if one > > > claps one hand on one's sexual organs, a great > > > deal can happen. :-) > > > > > > It is my position that the neverending game of > > > "proving" that the small s self is RIGHT, and that > > > other small s selves are WRONG is a lot like the > > > second "one hand clapping." It's mental mastur- > > > bation. As long as that one hand is clapping away > > > at all that sensitive erectile tissue, the self can > > > pretend that it exists. It "knows" that it exists, > > > because it's literally playing with its self. :-) > > > > > > There may even be a sense of momentary pleasure or > > > fulfillment as a result OF self playing with its > > > self by doing the one-hand-clapping boogie. A little > > > sigh here ("I'm *important*; I stood up for 'truth' > > > and 'righteousness' and 'honesty' and others didn't."), > > > a little orgasm here and there ("I *won* the argument.") > > > But in the end it all comes down to self playing with > > > its self. And in public. Except for a few pervs, nobody > > > is really terribly interested in watching someone else > > > "clap off" in public. > > > > > > And when someone from The Compassion Group points out, > > > compassionately, that all this self clapping self > > > stuff looks -- from another point of view -- a *lot* > > > like clapping in thin air, and accomplishes just about > > > as much in the long run, well the self has a *chance* > > > to reflect, and to decide whether to continue abusing > > > itself (and others) in public. > > > > > > Chances are that a self that has been masturbating in > > > public for 12-13 years without a letup IS going to > > > continue doing so. One of the toughest things in the > > > world to change is a chronic, compulsive masturbator. > > > But that doesn't mean you can't try, from time to > > > time. The *smart* thing to do would be to leave the > > > masturbating fiend alone and let her keep clapping > > > away. But the *compassionate* thing might be to, from > > > time to time, remind her that she's just one more > > > self playing with itself, and not accomplishing much > > > more than if she *were* masturbating in public. > > > > > > I applaud your attempt to be compassionate with Judy > > > from time to time, Rory. It kinda balances out my > > > version of compassion, which is to occasionally taunt > > > the self into masturbating even more furiously. Hope- > > > fully one of us will "get through" someday, and she'll > > > be able to realize Self and get over all this silly > > > self stuff. Maybe not. But at least we tried, *even > > > though* she's done her best to keep us from trying. > > > > > >
