Curtis wrote: > My point is that you don't know if anyone else is > "effortlessly transcending" or not, you can't know. > Have you ever heard of "checking", Curtis? Or, are you saying that you don't know how to check for effortless transcending? If so, then you must have sucked as a TM teacher. I've been a checker for years and I can tell by consulting the checking notes if transcending has been effortless or not. This is pretty basic stuff, Curtis.
So, you can't say if there are any other programs that teach effortless transcending. I thought so - you don't have any knowledge or experience with spiritual groups other than the one single cult you joined years ago and used to sing its praises. Now you've got nothing left except your own nihilisitic personal ideology. Good luck and best wishes. > So claims that TM is the "best" or that MMY is doing > something unique for the spiritual welfare of the > world are based on hubris and puffery. > So, you're saying that for years you took money from poor students and gave them only hubris and puffery. Don't you think you should apologize to all the people and return their money? You lied to people for years, promising them "enlightenment in 5-7 years." You were full of it and you're still full of yourself. > People from all different systems love their practices > and sing their praises. People who gain altered states > from self-hypnosis report benefits in their lives. Maybe > all these practices are wonderful. Perhaps all the good > people closing their eyes with their spiritual practice > do the same thing or experience the same states. Maybe > they are different states but have the same positive > effect on the world. Maybe none of it has any effect on > the world at all. > Maybe, but you really don't know. > But none has proven to be the "best" or most important > for mankind. That is a self important fantasy promoted > by the endlessly ambitious guy who wanted his brand to > dominate in the market. He failed. > He succeeded in putting the con on you. That makes you one of the dumbest people on the planet, next to Barry who actually gave Marshy and Freddy thousands of dollars. > "Effortlessly transcending" is a proprietary concept of > MMY's system. No one knows if this is important or not. > Get a grip Curtis! You haven't even defined what "effortlessly transcending" is, much less what meditation is. > He created the distinction and then proclaimed it as > important. Most of the people who started TM have > dropped it. I know this because I ran a campaign in > '85 to call the 10,000 meditators who had been initiated > in the DC center. Very few had continued the practice. > So perhaps the meditations using lots of effort are the > ones to bet on for real results and people sticking to > a long term practice. Who know? > Cut the bullshit, Curtis. Meditation means "to think things over", it's that simple. Based on this definition almost everyone on the planet meditates. Almost everyone pauses at least twice a day to reflect on their own thoughts. And everyone is transcending - all the time. You need to get some smarts, Curtis: I said that TM was the best relaxation technique. You're the idiot that made claims that about TM by promising them "enlightenment" in 5-7 years. > So if you dig TM, good for you, enjoy it. But any > claim that TM is the toppermost of the poppermost is > going to get the Raja raspberry from me. > Your opinion doesn't count for much on a spiritual forum. > Altered states produced my meditations and hypnosis will > always fascinate me. > Can you cite any scientific, blind studies that would support your calim that there are any altered states of conciousness or that there is a corresponding physiological state of conciousness to an altered state? I think not. > I'm glad so many people are putting in the time to see > where it all leads. A little open mindedness between > groups would probably speed our knowledge growth up a > bit, but if I know hairless apes, that is not an option. > Humans love to be part of a "special" group. Even if > it is just a product of their own, or their teacher's, > imagination. > So, you don't know of any other spiritual movements or teachers that can teach a person how to effortlessly transcend. So, you're useless as a teacher, useless as a messenger, and useless as an informer. So, what are you doing pestering people on this forum? You are the leader of a close-minded "special" group whose members think it's fun to poke fun at other people's spiritual path. This says more about you than it does about the people you poke fun at. It says that you haven't given up your beliefs about TM - you're still clinging to them. Give it up and move on, Curtis, stop wasting your time trying to bring other people down to your level. > > Curtis wrote: > > > For all we know any one of the many spiritual movements > > > around the world could be popping out people in UC like > > > a Chinese sweatshop filling a Wallmart order. > > > Richard J. Williams wrote: > > Maybe so, Curtis, but can you cite any other spiritual > > movements or teachers that can teach a person how to > > effortlessly transcend? I'd be interested in knowing > > more about their techniques if you know of any. > >
