I put a few posts together so I dont go over the pumkin limit: Poster:
I have a friend who lives 25 years in India, and he is probably the man who searched out most Gurus, Yogis and Avadhutas, most of them hardly known in the west. Tanmay: Obviously, this is not any sort of background that makes him qualified to speak on levels of consciousness of others He is very font of Brahmananda Saraswati, Tanmay: Font"- Helvitica, Times Roman, Bold? Poster: whenever I show photos to him, no connection to TM otherwise. When I showed the video of Swami G. his thumb went down immediately, he felt like most here, no shakti, nothing just prattle etc. Its not about tradition: many of the great saints in India never belonged to any tradition, like this Shiva Bala (child) Yogi, who naturally went into Samadhi as a child, and stayed in Samadhi for twelve years. Tanmay: What it can be about for anyone is finding a Sat Guru, working one to one, then the enlightened qualities are transmitted in shaktipat- this doesn't even have to be the Guru touching you- I have an audio from MMY ( I can send it- MP3) where he explains how he was affected and it was in the air while being around Guru dev- that is shaktipat- and it occured, according to how MMY explains it, as a result of being aound Guru dev- it was one to one. First thing is do you buy into this concept of one to one? Do you buy into this concept that you need a Sat Guru? if so, you may ask yourself, do you have this, if so, good, and go for it 100%. Verify what the Guru is all about from direct transmissions from being around them, not from someone else's opinion, not from watching a video of them. You may have a preconceived qualification list before you even give some consideration- such as they have to be a male yogi and indian with a big following, etc. Well, the outright truth of the matter is there is going to be faith involved. Have you ever heard MMY use the word faith? I saw once where the speaker said it, then MMY quickly corrected the speaker and said recognition. In my opinion, that is not true- one can recognize what ice cream tastes like only if they have tasted it- otherwise it is faith that it will taste good. So, you have to come up with what ever guild lines you are going to use to see if one is enlightened- but what good is that if you sit on the sidelines with that identification? To clarify, the interest here is to look at any casualties in any movements these days, because Swami G is interested, as her seva to humanity, in cleaning up after those who have run into problems with different Guru's. I think I am reflecting what is recommended here when I say those 2 things, sat Guru and working one to one with them. So Swami G's interest, and therefore as Seva, I following along in these foot steps, is not so much in weather a Guru comes from one tradition or another, or if they are enlightened or not, but rather what is taking place with the sadakas- are the methodologies creating confusion, leaving the sadakas in confusion, darkness and even worse than this? As seva, the interest is to offer light for this- we can say if one has stumbled into this line of thinking, these claims, offers, whatever- the Universe is offering a choice. If you do buy into this concept to find a Sat Guru and work one to one ( as Maharishi did), I think you may find there are slim pickings, and that is even before one lays down their preconceived requirements about what will pass the test as being a Sat Guru. If you think that it was Gods plan that a Sat Guru can't be an American housewife, but can only be an indian Yogi, ok, fine- whatever Sat Guru you find, but don't forget to let him know that you have rejected the idea that there could be an American Guru that is enlightened because he will slap your ass- hahahahaha Poster: Ron/Tanmay, are you suggesting that certain things you post here are "approved" by your guru and others are not? And that you actually feel that makes a difference? Tanmay: No and No- I think Judy may have cleared that up- I posted in the TM grroup- I think it was a hair negative and I may have been able to slip it by if I sweetened it up but that's not what happened. Poster: Maharishi may be enlightened, or not. It doesn't matter a damn to me. Tanmay: Well, then a question comes out of this- Is MMY or who ever your Guru is enlightened or not and what would be the purpose in knowing this? Then some other significant questions are how much evolution is taking place in your own life ? How much clarity is there? Does it make sense that one should not only have a Sat Guru but then work one to one? Do you have this now? If so, does this make sense to you that the Guru can only take you as far as they are? Do you see a reason if you buy into that why it is significant to arrive at your conclusion that yes, it is a Sat Guru? If you are cemented in where you are now, wherever that is, and as the old timers know in FFL, where I was, you ain't gonna hear one word about any of this right now. Anybody out there where the cement started cracking? Poster: I am not sure. No, I was in Boppard on Purusha prep 1 time, but then didn't join, had doubts, left, returned to the movement but was directed to Rheinweiler, and soon after saw Mother Meera first time (1982); I stayed in the movement and joined Purusha with Meru press. In fact we were the first to move to Vlodrop and set it up. Tanmay: I will be at Klaus' house ( white house over the border) from around July 15- 20 before traveling around in germany
