"Such a guru my be a Sadguru for one person and not a Sadguru for another."
Cheer up little Sad Guru. Things aren't so bad. Get outside, throw a frisbee, get a girlfriend, share some ice cream. Where's that smile little Sad Guru...there it is! Whose being a silly little Sad Guru now? If you frown again I'm just gunna have to tickle you. --- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you spend time with a "guru" and you do not become > Realized, guess what? They're not your Sadguru. You > gain value from that association and perhaps in the > scheme of things you needed to spend some time > unstressing/purifying/completing-a-karmic-debt with > that particular guru. Such a guru my be a Sadguru for > one person and not a Sadguru for another. > > --- Ron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > The only thing I can think of at the moment, after > > reading your whole post, is that famous > > quote, if at first you dont succeed, try and try > > again. Possibly rather than lump the whole > > Guru trip as something you have decided you were > > bored with, as none of them did > > anything for you, maybe one who has taken this > > stance can consider that since they have > > heard from others saying , yes, my Guru is this and > > that, and yes the glories of the Guru-- > > So then try and try again with a different Guru and > > see if you run into one where a lasting > > transformation occurs for you- and then therefore > > you may continue with that path- but > > again, it is up to you- could be- I tried 5 gurus, > > got nothing, so all are no good, or not the > > one for me so next- all up to you , "as Barry's > > world turns" > > > > - In [email protected], TurquoiseB > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ron" > > <sidha7001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > My post is about a topic one level further up > > the > > > > > logic tree -- why do you assume that someone > > is a > > > > > "guru," and *when* you do, why do you assume > > that > > > > > their opinion has any more weight than your > > own, > > > > > or anyone else's. > > > > > > > > ** Again, the real bottom line to it, after > > using all sorts > > > > of logical answers and discussions is that if it > > is not known > > > > with direct knowing, faith is needed, after > > using your best > > > > discression you have. The entire way you choose > > to move forward, > > > > with a Guru, without, each one in the end has to > > make their own > > > > choice and live with that choice > > > > > > Yup. I like -- and have no problem with -- the > > fact > > > that you realize that one's belief that someone is > > > a guru and that their advice is valuable is a > > matter > > > of faith. That's how I see it as well. > > > > > > One *chooses* one's "authority figures," and IMO > > one > > > *assigns* authority to them. They don't > > necessarily > > > *have* any authority *or* knowledge that the > > seeker > > > doesn't assign to them. But if that assignment > > helps > > > the seeker, more power to them. > > > > > > > > That strikes me as a far more interesting > > subject. > > > > > > > > > > Seems to me, from reading your posts, that > > your > > > > > definition of "guru" is twofold: 1) people > > that you > > > > > consider to be gurus, and 2) people that one > > of the > > > > > people you consider a guru have *told* you are > > gurus. > > > > > > > > > > Please explain to us *why* you consider > > someone a > > > > > "guru," and *why* someone else should pay any > > more > > > > > attention to their opinions than to anyone > > else's. > > > > > > > > **I think you have it right- it works out to my > > discretion - I > > > > lay out my own criteria for what a real guru is, > > then see who > > > > fills that prescription. OK, for example, > > intuiton says Ramana > > > > Maharishi is- now he gives answers to all the > > questions > > > > you are asking here- you can have a look at it > > at > > > > www.kundalinisupport.com, under the > > > > section - the need for a guru > > > > > > I'll pass, thanks. While I admire Ramana Maharshi, > > too, > > > I don't really have much interest in any > > "teachings" > > > about the "need for a guru." With a few exceptions > > (him > > > being one of them), teachings that stress the > > "need for > > > a guru" have historically come from gurus and > > traditions > > > that have *profited financially* from that > > teaching. > > > > > > On a more personal level, as we have discussed > > before, > > > I have no interest in gurus or guru figures, > > *except* > > > in terms of my overall study of spirituality and > > how > > > it is manifested in different groups. *That* I > > find > > > fascinating. Same thing here on FFL...I rarely > > find > > > myself interested in anything that Maharishi is > > quoted > > > as having said, or that some other teacher or > > scripture > > > is quoted as having said, but I'm *continually* > > fascin- > > > ated by what the *believers* in these teachers > > and/or > > > these scriptures have to say. > > > > > > *Especially* when there is some cognitive > > dissonance > > > raised by what they say they believe and how they > > act. > > > *That* fascinates me endlessly. > > > > > > > > I'm asking not to put you on the spot > > personally, > > > > > Ron (although it does, a little), but because > > this > > > > > approach to life and "truth" appears so often > > on > > > > > this forum. A great number of posts here can > > be > > > > > deconstructed and analyzed as saying, "X is > > true > > > > > because guru Y says it's true," or "X is true > > > > > because scripture Y" says it's true. > > > > > > > > > > For those who *make* those kinds of posts, > > please > > > > > explain to me "Y" you believe that the Y's you > > cite > > > > > have more of a clue as to what constitutes > > truth > > > > > than anyone else. :-) > > > > > > > > I can offer you my Guru's general comments about > > this: > > > > > > And sorry, but I'm really *not interested* in your > > > guru's comments on this. I'm interested in *your* > > > comments and thoughts on this, expressed in *your* > > > words, not hers. There's a difference. > > > > > > I've spent too much of my life listening to the > > words > > > of someone who considered themselves a guru. I'm > > bored > > > senseless with it, and find little of interest in > > any- > > > thing they have to say. But I find myself > > endlessly > > > interested in what their *followers* have to say, > > if > > > one can get them to say it in their own words, > > without > > > a single reference to an authority figure or an > > auth- > > > ority scripture. > > > > > > The former is like listening to a parrot; I find > > myself > > > wanting to pop a cracker into the poster's mouth > > after > > > reading what they have to say. "Nablus want a > > cracker?" :-) > > > > > > But when I read the posts that Curtis writes, or > > that > > > Edg writes, or that many other people write here, > > posts > > > that seem to come from their *own* experience, and > > their > > > *own* attempts to figure things out (as opposed to > > having > > > someone figure things out for them), I can feel a > > strong > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. 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