Aye.  All the R&Js are pretty good, Cuban or Dominican.

Nick A
On Nov 3, 2011 7:52 AM, "Jason Green" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Cuba exported a lot of talented rollers and farmers to the DR and other
> spots, which in turn made those places much better.  At least I think that
> is how it went.  The Fuente guys were Cubans I believe.
>
> I know the rep was well deserved at one time,  but at the time I was in
> the business (about 10 years ago) ,  Cubans were a gimmick.   They were
> good cigars that were more status symbol than they deserved.  Cohiba is a
> perfect example.   I had people routinely offer me thousands for boxes of
> real Cuban Cohibas,  and they were no better than Romeo y Julietas,  and
> not as good as the Fuente.  They were great, no question.   Just not as
> great as people seemed to think.
>
> Ever see the 100 year old,  box pressed cigars found in a New York
> basement?   People went nuts for those.  They sold for about 75 bucks a
> stick.   Talk about a gimmick.   When the cigar craze was at its peak,
> people basically lost their minds.   I had to get out of the business for
> ethical reasons.   It was a very dirty business.  Very predatory,  with an
> unbelievable amount of shenanigans.
> On Nov 2, 2011 6:49 PM, "Raymond E. Feist" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
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>> On Nov 2, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Jason Green wrote:
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>> > I haven't tried the brick house yet. I'll give those a shot. There's a
>> > great cigar bar in Lake Forest (OC), I'll have to see if he stocks
>> > them.
>> >
>> > I used to have a great connection for Cubans (I worked in the cigar
>> > business at the time) but I was never blown away by them.  It seemed
>> > more like a gimmick than anything.
>> >
>> > Fuentes makes a great cigar.
>> >
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>> It's not a gimmick.  I've talked to enough people older than I to believe
>> it was a perfect storm of soil, tobacco, the art of rolling cigars, etc.
>>  The problem was the Communists almost completely depleted the soil.  Like
>> a lot of the Russian and Chinese idiots of the same political stripe,
>> Castro believed that if they just decreed it, it would happen (whatever
>> "it" was).  In the case of cigars, while he immediately alienated the US,
>> the rest of Europe and the Eastern Block happily bought Cuban cigars.  So
>> they overgrew the crops.
>>
>> Now, Cuba is coming back, and in a few more years will be fully
>> integrated into the community of nations.  Mostly we're just waiting for
>> Raoul to follow his brother into retirement.  Even the Albanians don't
>> believe the Communist cant coming out of Cuba.  We'll have Cubans legally
>> in US stores within ten years.  Maybe five.
>>
>> But one unintended consequence of the Cuban Revolution was that cigar
>> makers got better, tobacco crops got better, and some serious money went to
>> the Dominican Republic, Honduras, Cameroon, and other places that would
>> have stayed in Cuba otherwise.
>>
>> Best,R.E.F.
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>> Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by
>> stupidity.
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