Re: anyone got advice for me tonight? urgent!

[Nina]

Hi Tonya, Not a good sign that these two kittens were separated from the mother and other babies.  You know what that could mean, they may be weak and she decided to let them go to try and save her energy and milk for the others.  It may also have meant she was in the process of moving them and hadn't gotten back to these two yet.  I have a really good home made kitten formula made from goat's milk that I will send to you off list.  It's better than any powder form because it's fresh.  When I give a kitten light karo to try and stimulate their energy, I put the tiniest amount on my finger, or Qtip and then wipe it on their gums, that way there is no chance of aspirating them.  As far as keeping them warm, esp the one that's getting colder, the best thing to do, if you can, is to keep them under your shirt next to your skin.  They will feel comforted by your warmth and heartbeat, and you will also know immediately if they are in any sort of distress.  While your up and walking around, you can fold a large t-shirt under and secure the "pouch" with safety pins and just carry them around like a momma kangaroo.  Be very careful that the temp of what you have rigged for them is constant and not to hot or cold.  The best thing to do is have a container that's just large enough to afford a space that isn't on the heating pad, or hot water bottle, but is still cushioned.  With kittens this young, I don't know if they'd even be able to move off of it when too hot though.  Bless it girl, I feel for you.  I would guess that the temp should be slightly less than normal body temp, but I'm not sure about this.  They are so young and fragile!  I understand why you would say you probably should have had them pts, and also understand why you couldn't!  You should probably be offering them food every 1/2 hour or so at first, I wouldn't go much more than an hour apart until they are eating consistently.  With two week old kittens, I think it's recommended to feed every two hours.  I could have sworn I had a better website than this one, but there may be some info for you here: http://www.caring4kittens.com/index.html Blessings and prayers for the babies, you and the ones still out there.  Hopefully momma isn't feral, you catch her ass, and she's healthy enough to care for her kittens.  If she did abandon these two, she might change her mind about caring for them when she's safe, warm and fed.  If you do end up adding them back into her litter, make sure you rub them on the other kittens first to pick up the scent of the rest of them.  Have you gotten in touch with MC?  I know that she's had lots of experience with kittens.  Hideyo recently took in days old kittens w/o a mom and did really well with them too.  I don't have MC's number, but I do have Hideyo's, I'm sure she wouldn't mind a late night phone call in an emergency. Prayers for the babies, Nina catatonya wrote: thank you.  I just gave him some sugar water.  I hope that might help.   I was very careful, but I don't know if the 'drooling' means I aspirated........... or he's got a uri or what.  :(  i'm going to take his temperature.  I have them in a bathroom with the vent closed and covered.  I have a heating pad on the floor and then a towel and then a litter pan and then another towel and then the kittens and then a towel over them.  I'm going to try to check the temp of that too.   both of these kittens way around 3 oz.  Sites I've been looking at say they should be born weighing more than that!   They had maggot eggs (not crawling yet) on them......... so they must have been there for a while.  We found the mother and other kittens in an abandoned house but we can't do anything about any of it until tomorrow.  ugh.  The lady that found them is going to break into the house and put the kittens that remain in a basket with a towel and give the mother food and water till we can decide what to do tomorrow.   t [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't have them euthanized just because they are little. I take in small kittens all the time. I don't use KMR. I use Fox Valley. They sell all kinds of milk for all kinds of animals. Better IMHO than KMR and cheaper. You have to mail order it though...I keep about a pound of the powder on hand at all times, but I take in a lot of litters. http://foxvalleynutrition.com/main/home.asp Sometimes little kittens just die and there is nothing you can do:( As I am sure you know mortality among kittens is really high:(. Is the little one eating? If he won't suck you can feed from a syringe. Drooling doesn't appear to be a great sign: http://maxshouse.com/kitten_care.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: catatonya Date: Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:52 pm Subject: anyone got advice for me tonight? urgent! To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Hey guys, > > long story short.......... I am home with 2 (vet said 2-4....... > I say 2 tops) 2 day old kittens. > > Of course it was sunday and i had to go to emergency vet. he > said they seemed ok for the circumstances and told me to bottle > feed and keep them warm. > > that cost $100 > > I knew I should just have them euthanized. I know there are no > homes. I know there are more than the shelter can handle > etc.......... but I brought them home. > > The smaller one will suckle and take the kmr (walmart brand > recommended by vet. is that really all right??) > > The other seems to be drooling from his mouth. Everytime I > check him he seems colder and colder. I have them on a hot water > bottles on a towel and have even put it inside a heater. I've put > them in bed with me. > > I don't think he's going to make it. > > Any ideas as to why he might be drooling and what I might could do? > > tonya >