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Bless you for giving him love in his short
life. He left knowing someone really cared.
If you have men who will exclude any of God's
creatures
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with their fellow
man.
St. Francis
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 1:06 AM
Subject: RE: anyone got advice for me
tonight? urgent!
The gray tabby has died. The solid gray seems to be in good
shape. The kitten that died did poop several times which I took as a
good sign.........
The living gray kitten seems to be doing ok. He will nurse, and he
has urinated, but that's all so far.
I read on a website to massage the area before and after feeding.
I'm going to take the little gray kitten to bed with me tonight and see
how it goes. I don't want to leave him by himself since he lost his
littermate.
Thank you everyone. I hate just about everyone except people like
you who are on this list. :(
t
Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have absolutely
no experience with kittens that young but isnt there also something about
sort of massaging their rear so that they eliminateits something mom cat
does
Anything Ive ever
read about real young kittens suggests replicating what mother would
doshed be nuzzled up against them, moving them around when she felt like
moving, feeding on demand and using her body to keep them warm. They
stay close to mom to hear that heartbeat and get the comfort. So,
making a pouch and holding next to you cant possibly hurt, it seems to
me.
-----Original
Message-----
From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 1:16
AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: anyone got advice for me
tonight? urgent!
I would feed them more
often than that esp since you fear that they were abandoned for a
while. Don't stress out if they refuse to eat each time, but do offer
it to them. I'm so glad the one is seeming to feel better. I can
understand why they suggest not "over handling" them, but they are writing
this for, pardon me, but the majority of idiots out there that would be
handling them differently than you. I don't expect that you'd be
manipulating them and keeping them awake. They will sleep just fine
next to your body, probably better. I understand you concern about
disease, you do, after all, have an felv kitty in the house, but unless you
are allowing them to crawl around with everyone else, they should be fine
under your t-shirt. I don't know, they've already been through so
much, if you can give them some warmth and a feeling of security, I think
it's worth the risk. I guess there's the possibility that they are
carrying something that might endanger your guys, but I really think if they
had something horrible, like Panluek, they'd be gone
already.
Nina
catatonya wrote:
I had been carrying them
around and keeping them warm inside my shirt, but one of the websites I read
said that I should keep them away from all other cats because they may not
have immunity from their mother.
I just don't know.
The other cats were in the vacated house. One of these kittens was on
one side of the trash cans and the other was on the other side. They
were not together. So basically we have no idea if they were being
moved in the house, out of the house, or
abandoned.
Since they are only 2-3
days old and were covered in maggots I would say they had been there a
while. I didn't see the place itself to see if it was a place the cat
might have felt comfortable having the kittens in, but I doubt it. The
house has 3 boxers. (2 were thrown off an overpass July 3rd, and the
reason I was at their house was because I was passing out reward fliers for
them.) There are lots of other stray dogs and cats in that area, and
those people didn't keep their boxers confined. So I can't imagine the
cat had the kittens there and was just trying to move them in. There's
been a lot of comotion in the area since the incident with the dogs. The
people were out putting a fence up today (what a concept!). They said they
kept hearing crying and found the 2 I took. The tips of their ears are
a little bloody suggesting flies biting them and hence the
maggots.
I just don't know. NO
ONE is going to take in that mother cat and the rest of those babies.
And there's no way I can either. DD (my positive) is stressing out
just knowing these kittens are here. She's overgrooming way more than
normal and I just dosed her a pred.
I think I'm going to go put
some honey on the sick ones gums. He does seem to be a little
better. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I also read that I
shouldn't bother them (pick them up, etc.....) too much between feedings for
the first week because they are so weak at this age they need to
sleep.
I started feeding them
every 2 hours, but read on several sites NOT to feed that
frequently...........I've gone to 3 now.
always
something................
thanks for the
advice. I'm going to go check on them now.
Hi
Tonya,
Not a good sign that these two kittens were separated from the
mother and other babies. You know what that could mean, they may be
weak and she decided to let them go to try and save her energy and milk
for the others. It may also have meant she was in the process of
moving them and hadn't gotten back to these two yet. I have a really
good home made kitten formula made from goat's milk that I will send to
you off list. It's better than any powder form because it's
fresh. When I give a kitten light karo to try and stimulate their
energy, I put the tiniest amount on my finger, or Qtip and then wipe it on
their gums, that way there is no chance of aspirating them. As far
as keeping them warm, esp the one that's getting colder, the best thing to
do, if you can, is to keep them under your shirt next to your skin.
They will feel comforted by your warmth and heartbeat, and you will also
know immediately if they are in any sort of distress. While your up
and walking around, you can fold a large t-shirt under and secure the
"pouch" with safety pins and just carry them around like a momma
kangaroo. Be very careful that the temp of what you have rigged for
them is constant and not to hot or cold. The best thing to do is
have a container that's just large enough to afford a space that isn't on
the heating pad, or hot water bottle, but is still cushioned. With
kittens this young, I don't know if they'd even be able to move off of it
when too hot though. Bless it girl, I feel for you. I would
guess that the temp should be slightly less than normal body temp, but I'm
not sure about this. They are so young and fragile! I
understand why you would say you probably should have had them pts, and
also understand why you couldn't! You should probably be offering
them food every 1/2 hour or so at first, I wouldn't go much more than an
hour apart until they are eating consistently. With two week old
kittens, I think it's recommended to feed every two hours. I could
have sworn I had a better website than this one, but there may be some
info for you here: http://www.caring4kittens.com/index.html
Blessings
and prayers for the babies, you and the ones still out there.
Hopefully momma isn't feral, you catch her ass, and she's healthy enough
to care for her kittens. If she did abandon these two, she might
change her mind about caring for them when she's safe, warm and fed.
If you do end up adding them back into her litter, make sure you rub them
on the other kittens first to pick up the scent of the rest of them.
Have you gotten in touch with MC? I know that she's had lots
of experience with kittens. Hideyo recently took in days old kittens
w/o a mom and did really well with them too. I don't have MC's
number, but I do have Hideyo's, I'm sure she wouldn't mind a late night
phone call in an emergency.
Prayers for the
babies,
Nina
catatonya wrote:
thank you. I just gave him some sugar
water. I hope that might help.
I
was very careful, but I don't know if the 'drooling' means I
aspirated........... or he's got a uri or what. :( i'm going
to take his temperature. I have them in a bathroom with the vent
closed and covered. I have a heating pad on the floor and then a
towel and then a litter pan and then another towel and then the kittens
and then a towel over them. I'm going to try to check the temp of
that too.
both of these kittens way around 3 oz. Sites
I've been looking at say they should be born weighing more than
that!
They had maggot eggs (not crawling yet) on
them......... so they must have been there for a while. We found the
mother and other kittens in an abandoned house but we can't do anything
about any of it until tomorrow. ugh. The lady that found them
is going to break into the house and put the kittens that remain in a
basket with a towel and give the mother food and water till we can decide
what to do tomorrow.
I wouldn't have them euthanized just because
they are little. I take
in small kittens all the time.
I
don't use KMR. I use Fox Valley. They sell all kinds of milk for
all
kinds of animals. Better IMHO than KMR and cheaper.
You have to
mail order it though...I keep about a pound of the powder
on hand at
all times, but I take in a lot of litters.
http://foxvalleynutrition.com/main/home.asp
Sometimes
little kittens just die and there is nothing you can do:(
As I am
sure you know mortality among kittens is really high:(. Is the
little one eating? If he won't suck you can feed from a syringe.
Drooling doesn't appear to be a great sign:
http://maxshouse.com/kitten_care.htm
-----
Original Message -----
From: catatonya
Date: Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:52 pm
Subject: anyone got
advice for me tonight? urgent!
To: "[email protected]"
> Hey guys,
>
>
long story short.......... I am home with 2 (vet said 2-4.......
> I say 2 tops) 2 day old kittens.
>
> Of course it
was sunday and i had to go to emergency vet. he
> said they
seemed ok for the circumstances and told me to bottle
> feed and
keep them warm.
>
> that cost $100
>
> I knew
I should just have them euthanized. I know there are no
> homes.
I know there are more than the shelter can handle
> etc..........
but I brought them home.
>
> The smaller one will suckle
and take the kmr (walmart brand
> recommended by vet. is that
really all right??)
>
> The other seems to be drooling from
his mouth. Everytime I
> check him he seems colder and colder. I
have them on a hot water
> bottles on a towel and have even put
it inside a heater. I've put
> them in bed with me.
>
> I don't think he's going to make it.
>
> Any ideas
as to why he might be drooling and what I might could do?
>
> tonya
>
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